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Communist China
 Rep: 130 

Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler

- SS and Medicare have traditionally paid out more to recipients than those recipients paid into the systems. This trend is ending.
- The aging of American society has made the worker-to-recipient ratios envisioned by these programs completely impossible.
- SS is not a fund you pay into, it's just redistribution, because you aren't investing in a personal portfolio. The money taken from your paycheck for it goes to current recipients, and so on and so forth.
- Of course SS and Medicare have saved lives, they cost trillions annually. If you can't save a few lives with trillions of dollars in expenditures, what can you do? Didn't Bastiat teach you about seen and unseen?
- Look at the donors to different political candidates - Paul, who you attack as 'pro-rich', gets extremely little from the wealthy and basically nothing from corporations, his funding is all grassroots, and he's gotten more donations from family of active military members than any other candidate in any election in world history
- The late 1800s and early 1900s AREN'T WHAT FREE MARKET CAPITALISM OR SMALL GOVERNMENT LOOKS LIKE. This era is NOT what Paul or any other libertarian is advocating for. We've never had the system of government or type of society you imagine libertarians fantasize about.
- Name another prominent politician that publicly warned about the housing bubble in the early 00s - no one did with the specificity, regularity, or emphasis that Paul did. He understands the business cycle. None of the others up there do, Obama included.
- Obviously any repeal of SS and Medicare would require giving people a lump sum refund of the money they've put into the system. Then there's no reason to say everyone would be losers and drop dead. You'd have all the money you ever paid in. The problem is that they don't have that money, but it isn't a secure fund, it is used for other programs, and it is a mandated scam that will kill my generation.

slcpunk
 Rep: 149 

Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler

slcpunk wrote:

I can think of few things more important for this country's citizens other than these two programs. With all the crazy talk from the GOP, the majority of people regardless of political ideology do not want these programs taken away from them. In fact many of these tea party morons caught an earful from their constituents when they returned home over this crap.

misterID
 Rep: 476 

Re: Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler

misterID wrote:

The ONLY reason SS and medicare are in trouble is because of small goverment peeps who think free market trumps everything, lives standard of living, povery, the sick, everything.

SS is fine as of right now. It is sound for several years, plenty of time to restructure it and save it. Sorry.

Medicare was raided by republicans at the beginning of the Bush administration when it had a surplus, and old Bush decided to dicker with it. Now that they fucked it they want to ditch it. Sorry.

Simply adjust the age distribution by income status and the specific job (manual labor workers being first in line), cut out the waste, regulate the medical industry to stop the price gouging and abuse. That would be a good start.

You are collecting that money you put into SS. NOTHING is wrong with SS right now and it CAN BE FIXED in time before it is a problem. It's not a scam, it's been decimated by idiots and their corporate small goverment pimps.

If you had your small goverment way, business would ABSOLUTELY operate the way it did pre FDR. I've already explained why... Several times. That's what small government would look like BECAUSE the small goverment peeps are SPECIFICALLY trying to repeal laws, regulations and departments put in place because of the dangers of big business left to their own devices, like they did in the lead up to the depression.

I just don't get this utopian fantasy that everything will be perfect under small goverment when it would devestate so many people. I do not get, and do not what to understand this "oh, well" attitude for people who will be adversely affected by a small goverment system with lax, to no regulations or protection for the working man and woman, and allwoing the top 1% to rule how they see fit. 

Charles Manson had some very frightening and real predictions about the US, too. Makes Ron Paul look like Miss Cleo. Just sayin...

People were actually trying to warn their bosses who were causing the economic collapse... You know, the people you think should operate however they want... Yeah, they were fired and no one would listen. I didnt hear Ron Paul mention anything about what was happening.

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