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Re: So..I'm reading Duffs Book....
yep...Axl, Merck refer to new contract multiple times leading up to the release of Chinese. Axl recently mentioned sorting out stuff with the label as well which leads you to believe they are not locked in to a set number of albums or even another release.
Remember, Chinese was released under the dual label of Black Frog/Geffen...a joint venture. Whereas, all albums before were purely Geffen.
- monkeychow
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Re: So..I'm reading Duffs Book....
but after reading how screwed up Duff, Steven, and Slash were...i now think it was more of a save the band name and myself. I know Axl is no angel...but he might have been the only one not blitzed out of his mind.
Yeah it's worth considering that Slash has a long term history of serious junkie behaviour.
But then again it's notable also that despite his not so secret substance abuse problems he's also quite prolific, 2 Snakepit Albums, 2 VR albums, 2 Solo albums and at least an Album worth of guest apperances of other's tracks.
Duff has also managed to keep himself busy with Loaded and other projects.
So I while I totally think it should be remembered that Axl was the most sober of the group circa 1993, it's not like the others weren't motivated to create music and be a rock band.
Re: So..I'm reading Duffs Book....
apex-twin wrote:The recording agreement, as peré madagas is quick to point out, has been renegotiated multiple times over the years.
There was the original, in 1986(?), with Tom Zutaut signing them on.
There was the pre-UYI renegotiation by Alan Niven.
There was the infamous 'Axl is GNR' clause added by Doug Goldstein in '92.
There was the 1st CD-era renegotiation in 1998.
There was the 2nd CD-era renegotiation with Azoff/BestBuy in 2008.And possibly more we don't know about.
I've never heard of the last two happening. The only contract renegotiation with the label that has been confirmed is the one started by Alan Niven that Axl and he said also included the bit about Axl owning the name should the band ever break up.
Ali
I have to trot this out every now and then...from Geffen's attorney (Greatest Hits Lawsuit)
Since 1992, the parties have executed various amendments to the Recording Agreement, including most notably, two amendments dated as of May 1, 1998. One of these amendments confirmed Slash's and Duff's departure from the band and their status as Leaving Members under the 1992 Recording Agreement, thereby relieving them of charges against their royalty accounts for the enormous recording costs and other expenses being incurred by Axl Rose (the only Remaining Member of Guns N' Roses) in connection with the recording of the new Guns N' Roses studio album. Slash and Duff, like Stradlin and Adler before them, retained a royalty interest in masters created under the Recording Agreement prior to their departure from the band. In the other May 1, 1998 amendment Axl Rose agreed, among other things, to deliver that new studio LP (which was even then long overdue under the Recording Agreement) no later than March 1, 1999 and received a substantial advance from Geffen in return. Hence, although other individuals have joined Axl Rose in performing under the name Guns N' Roses since 1998, Rose is the only principal in the band.
As for the present, we have no idea what is currently "owed" to the label...no way to tell.
Re: So..I'm reading Duffs Book....
Ali wrote:apex-twin wrote:The recording agreement, as peré madagas is quick to point out, has been renegotiated multiple times over the years.
There was the original, in 1986(?), with Tom Zutaut signing them on.
There was the pre-UYI renegotiation by Alan Niven.
There was the infamous 'Axl is GNR' clause added by Doug Goldstein in '92.
There was the 1st CD-era renegotiation in 1998.
There was the 2nd CD-era renegotiation with Azoff/BestBuy in 2008.And possibly more we don't know about.
I've never heard of the last two happening. The only contract renegotiation with the label that has been confirmed is the one started by Alan Niven that Axl and he said also included the bit about Axl owning the name should the band ever break up.
Ali
I have to trot this out every now and then...from Geffen's attorney (Greatest Hits Lawsuit)
Since 1992, the parties have executed various amendments to the Recording Agreement, including most notably, two amendments dated as of May 1, 1998. One of these amendments confirmed Slash's and Duff's departure from the band and their status as Leaving Members under the 1992 Recording Agreement, thereby relieving them of charges against their royalty accounts for the enormous recording costs and other expenses being incurred by Axl Rose (the only Remaining Member of Guns N' Roses) in connection with the recording of the new Guns N' Roses studio album. Slash and Duff, like Stradlin and Adler before them, retained a royalty interest in masters created under the Recording Agreement prior to their departure from the band. In the other May 1, 1998 amendment Axl Rose agreed, among other things, to deliver that new studio LP (which was even then long overdue under the Recording Agreement) no later than March 1, 1999 and received a substantial advance from Geffen in return. Hence, although other individuals have joined Axl Rose in performing under the name Guns N' Roses since 1998, Rose is the only principal in the band.
As for the present, we have no idea what is currently "owed" to the label...no way to tell.
That sounds like more of an amendment to the contract, than a flat-out renegotiation of its terms, like royalty rates, etc. It makes sense given they left the band. The advance to Axl again sounds like an amendment or addendum, not a complete renegotiation of terms and/or length of a contract.
Ali
Re: So..I'm reading Duffs Book....
nitpick on terminology all you want...but the terms of that record contract have changed on multiple occasions over the years. Amendments change the terms of the contract. Merck mentions "renegotiation" as well in his 12-15-2006 letter to the fans.....
"The record company refused to conclude the renegotiation until we were ready to hand over the finished album and refused to prepare a marketing campaign or commission video treatments until they had it in their hands. This is still their position as of this week."
- Mikkamakka
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Re: So..I'm reading Duffs Book....
madagas, Merck's letter is forbidden behind The HTGTH Wall.
