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Re: September 11 2001
I think it's almost comically insane that one would be like "Who Cares?" about the gov't spending the amount of money it does on the military and foreign occupations, but will freak the fuck out when someone suggests spending a fraction of that on Medicare for every working US citizen.
Re: September 11 2001
Say what you will about the impact from the planes on the towers that were designed (and built) to withstand multiple commercial jets hitting it...
Only a complete lunatic would believe that a building a fucking block away... hit by nothing... Had some scattered fires on the middle few floors... Would just collapse into it own footprint at nearly free fall speed.
EDIT..
Even at it's hottest, Jet Fuel (kerosene) doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.
Just sayin'
The buildings didn't come down pefectly. The debris field was huge, the building was on fire that no one was fighting. Again, I don't see why they would demo that building on purpose. What was the reason? And you're telling me, they go to all this trouble to bring down the buildings and they're going to allow the buildings owner, not only bringing him into the conspiracy, a civilian, but to take out an insurance policy on it?
That they have tabs on all news agencies that are secretly working in tandum, all those tens of thousands of people... for what exactly? It's laughable. Wouldn't it benefit them more to call out the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world?
The Titanic was unsinkable. It sank.
When Flight 11 struck the North Tower, the impact blew off the building's installed fireproofing and dumped 128,000 pounds of burning fuel into the building. This massive flaming load super-heated the WTC's steel support columns—up to 1500F—which softened them to the point of buckling. The top floors then collapsed downward, drawing the exterior columns inward and smashing the floors below before being themselves destroyed as they struck the 1.8 million-pound debris pile.
No one ever said the steel melted, but the building support was severly damaged and the fuel was hot enough to bend and give. That building was coming down. Structural trauma=fire=gravity.
I've seriously seen better evidence that Elvis is alive.
Re: September 11 2001
Well, it's not like the WTC hasn't historically been a target. Knowing the insurance industry, it may have taken that long after the last attack to get an affordable policy.
And I don't care what you say, buildings are not made to take direct hits from commercial airliners. No building has collapsed since because no commercial airliner has crashed into one.
Look, I'm not saying there aren't things worth questioning. But the truth is that the answers aren't going to change anything. Not even for those sent in to do the cleanup that got sick. It sucks and they should have been provided with whatever was available to keep them from getting sick.
I don't watch the news. I read, research, and I make decisions for myself (to the extent that I care to). I'm not a republican or a democrat and quite frankly I dislike both parties. I should be the poster child for believing this stuff, but I can't do it. None of it makes sense. The fundamental flaw to me in all of this is you'd have to believe the government/military did it to believe it. Nobody else could pull it off. So in order for everything you said to be true, the gov't would have had to have done it, and nobody saying a word about it in a political climate that is as divided as it's ever been just cinches it for me. I agree that there are some interesting/concerning things related to 9/11, but I don't believe they add up to what others seem to think it adds up to.
Re: September 11 2001
I think it's almost comically insane that one would be like "Who Cares?" about the gov't spending the amount of money it does on the military and foreign occupations, but will freak the fuck out when someone suggests spending a fraction of that on Medicare for every working US citizen.
Did I say who cares? There's a difference between "who cares?" and supporting the military. I'd rather not be in some of the places we are, but we're there for a reason, and it's not always because we want to be. Often it's that we need to be. If we're going to spend money, the military/defense is a good place to do it.
You want your free handout? Go serve in the military first, then come back and talk to me about how you deserve to have taxpayers pay for your healthcare. I'd be willing to listen to you then. Lets see how many freeloaders we have then. But that's obviously way off topic.
Re: September 11 2001
If we're talking about Cheney and Rumsfeld taking full advantage of 9/11, yes, absolutely. If we got lax in our security, including the Bush administration firing CIA officials who monitored Al Qaeda because they were gay, then okay. But I don't believe anyone in the government was directly behind it.
Re: September 11 2001
If we're talking about Cheney and Rumsfeld taking full advantage of 9/11, yes, absolutely. If we got lax in our security, including the Bush administration firing CIA officials who monitored Al Qaeda because they were gay, then okay. But I don't believe anyone in the government was directly behind it.
Exactly. That was my point with the disaster recovery industry earlier. Yes, people take advantage of unfortunate things for profit or to push their agenda. That's how it has always been.
Heck, if you want to just line up all of the controversial issues in one thread, that is what churches do too. There. I said it. And gay people should be allowed to get married. Did I miss anything?
Re: September 11 2001
misterID wrote:If we're talking about Cheney and Rumsfeld taking full advantage of 9/11, yes, absolutely. If we got lax in our security, including the Bush administration firing CIA officials who monitored Al Qaeda because they were gay, then okay. But I don't believe anyone in the government was directly behind it.
Exactly. That was my point with the disaster recovery industry earlier. Yes, people take advantage of unfortunate things for profit or to push their agenda. That's how it has always been.
Heck, if you want to just line up all of the controversial issues in one thread, that is what churches do too. There. I said it. And gay people should be allowed to get married. Did I miss anything?
Right on.
Re: September 11 2001
Look... I'm not one of those meat heads that think that the entire event was staged... But I do believe that, at a MINIMUM, the US government was criminally complicit/negligent in preventing it, and that NOBODY has held them accountable.
I think most of us, if not all, can agree with that. I'm with Buzz and ID though on the "airplanes can't take down a building theory" being a weak argument. Where exactly does it say that and what tests were done to prove it?
