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Re: September 11 2001
The point (I guess) is you can make technology do whatever you want it to with pictures. That goes both ways though. When people want to believe something, they are going to believe it no matter what. Churches have made a fortune on that same premise.
This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned. If polluxlm can bring something credible to the discussion, I'll be happy to continue, but right now he's spewing the same propoganda that he accuses the news of using, but doing it from the other side. Waste of time.
Re: September 11 2001
The perspective is way off. Background layer moves way too fast for what appears to be a slow drifting helicopter.
There's nothing stretching it. They're fake, and they have to be. Look at the picture from the Empire State Building impact. Yeah, there's a hole from the explosion, but the plane has clearly exploded on impact, not sliced through the columns before any damage or ignition is made.
They needed the fireball money shot to make the consequent collapse believable, problem is a plane won't do that. Skycrapers are massive, solid constructions. A plane may weigh a fair bit, but it's hollowed out like an egg, and it's nothing against a million ton monolith. Akin to a soda straw impacting a fisher price house. So they faked it. Nothing new, been done before and they're increasingly getting better at it.
Who knows what really happened, but it certainly wasn't no 19 arab hijackers. And we know that for a fact because many of them are still alive and living well.
Re: September 11 2001
The rest of that is all fine and dandy if you think Obama = Bush.
I do think they're one and the same. If Romney wins(I doubt it as he serves no purpose as Obama continues their agenda just fine and dandy). Romney is the patsy just like Kerry was in 2004 and McCain in 2008.
As far as this "hologram" theory polluxlm is talking about(haven't watched the vids yet), I do remember one video years ago where the airplane looks to cut through the building like a knife through butter and the explosion happens AFTER this and the plane itself disappears.
I do question the hologram theory as I do think actual planes were involved in some capacity(they HAD to be), but I wouldn't doubt if certain technology was used to enhance specific footage.
Anyone here besides me read Project for a New American Century? If not, could you guys at least read a brief summary on wiki or another site? Adds a different element to any 9/11 or post 9/11 war debate.
Who knows what really happened, but it certainly wasn't no 19 arab hijackers. And we know that for a fact because many of them are still alive and living well.
I know Rense is not considered a legitimate news source even though he does post real news articles(just ignore the quack writers and it's an excellent news site), but around 2004-05 he had an article from some arab news agency(al jazeera??) that showed several of the hijackers alive, one trying to conceal himself at an airport. Rense removed this article in less than a day and I've never seen it again(Rense NEVER censors himself). Could kick myself in the ass for not getting a screenshot of it. I know you check conspiracy sites. Have those pics ever popped up anywhere?
Polluxlm is right though. The government uses media manipulation on a continuous basis.
Re: September 11 2001
I didn't say anything about holograms. Although that is a distant possibility there are other more viable options such as a missile propped to look like a plane. Point is we don't know what it was, but we do know what was shown to us on the news wasn't real in the sense that the pictures have been doctored, and we know the official story is a fairy tale. They decided to let a hijackers passport survive the explosion? Sometimes I wonder who writes this stuff.
Re: September 11 2001
Sorry. Was lumping in holographic technology with the fringe theory you were discussing. Some of those theories considered to be on the outer fringe do make some of the same points.
As far as missiles looking like planes, that Pentagon footage needs expert analysis, and not experts bought off by the powers that be.
Re: September 11 2001
Furbush wrote:I think it's almost comically insane that one would be like "Who Cares?" about the gov't spending the amount of money it does on the military and foreign occupations, but will freak the fuck out when someone suggests spending a fraction of that on Medicare for every working US citizen.
Did I say who cares? There's a difference between "who cares?" and supporting the military. I'd rather not be in some of the places we are, but we're there for a reason, and it's not always because we want to be. Often it's that we need to be. If we're going to spend money, the military/defense is a good place to do it.
You want your free handout? Go serve in the military first, then come back and talk to me about how you deserve to have taxpayers pay for your healthcare. I'd be willing to listen to you then. Lets see how many freeloaders we have then. But that's obviously way off topic.
Once my brain gets into "Rant Mode"... 
It wasn't specifically aimed at anyone.
There's an astronomical difference between "support the military" and throwing bails of money at it. We wouldn't NEED to spend that kinda money on "defense" if our elected officials didn't feel the need to take over every nation on Earth they see as a "potential threat". Once you look into how much of that money is wasted and/or turns up missing... It's downright appalling.
And "handouts"?
If we spent half the money on the military that we do now, we'd still have the biggest and most powerful military in the world BY FAR.... And have enough cheese to provide amazing, free healthcare to every man, woman and child in North America... But, I was only suggesting we give it to every tax payer... So it ain't really a handout, bub...
Re: September 11 2001
Yeah, Loose Change got schooled by popular mechanics.
I agree with you about military spending and healthcare and all that, our military can't be touched with how beef it is, but the black helicopter stuff... It's like a few steps away from the Timothy Mcvay's view of the world.
Re: September 11 2001
The youtube videos posted are really, really stretching. Seems like a lot of "if this, then that might be" type of stuff. And forgive me, but I don't get the point of the last three pics posted.
It seems people are refusing to accept that video, just like the human eye, can preceive optical illusions. The video's aren't filming things in their actual time, there are limitations to video. Plus, polluxlm, did you ever consider some videos were doctored to try and prove the videos were doctored to dupe you, or try to prove it's a conspiracy?
And what about eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit the building? And the people who saw the planes hit from the buildings themselves? Everyone is lying right? Tens of thousands of people?
I mean, it's getting to the point of utter ridiculousness. It would be easier to just fire a friggin missle into the buildings and say it was from Iraq.
Where is the one, even just one, cameraman who was actually filming nothing that day, and was in on the conspiracy, who's come foraward? In ten years? One person who was in on the conspiracy? You're using some greedy owner of a building who took out an insurance policy as proof. Where's that one guy who'd be making millions right now, who could prove it? And you're trying to tell me there were thousands of people, the entire American media, were in on it, even some nobody producer or cameraman, who could be rich right now, they're all just playing along with the conspiracy to this day.... for what?
Re: September 11 2001
Yeah, Loose Change got schooled by popular mechanics.
I agree with you about military spending and healthcare and all that, our military can't be touched with how beef it is, but the black helicopter stuff... It's like a few steps away from the Timothy Mcvay's view of the world.
Yeah... Schooled. Watch all of the parts... They do more back peddling about "We're not politicians or experts, and I know you have an actual statement from that guy... But... He said something ELSE to us... We've seen video that nobody else on Earth has fucking access too..." They be slangin' bullshit. It's obvious...
