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Re: September 11 2001
I watched it, and I say again, I've seen better evidence that Elvis is alive.
Yeah, those Loose Change guys are definitely the end all be all experts. Who are they again?
"Please, go watch our movie. Go see our proof on our website. The coroner won't talk to us, so he's a liar too!!!"
Again, they're saying the same bullshit. Because they keep saying it over and over again, doesn't make it true. THEY GOT SCHOOLED, because they had nothing REAL to back up their claims. They don't want to hear from ANYONE who disagrees with them. It's amazing; everyone is lying. Aren't they making money off 9/11? Their conspiracies, to be exact? And they're attacking PM? Plus, the PM guys handled themselves a lot better than two college kids acting like assholes, laughing, interrupting them and calling them liars.
Popular Mechanics has updated their review and taken on every NEW theory that pops up.
The Loose Change guys aren't offering evidence, just conjecture. Please, dude. I can't believe I wasted my time watching that crap.
Here are better opitcal illusions.
Re: September 11 2001
I watched it, and I say again, I've seen better evidence that Elvis is alive.
Yeah, those Loose Change guys are definitely the end all be all experts. Who are they again?
"Please, go watch our movie. Go see our proof on our website. The coroner won't talk to us, so he's a liar too!!!"
Again, they're saying the same bullshit. Because they keep saying it over and over again, doesn't make it true. THEY GOT SCHOOLED, because they had nothing REAL to back up their claims. They don't want to hear from ANYONE who disagrees with them. It's amazing; everyone is lying. Aren't they making money off 9/11? Their conspiracies, to be exact? And they're attacking PM? Plus, the PM guys handled themselves a lot better than two college kids acting like assholes, laughing, interrupting them and calling them liars.
Popular Mechanics has updated their review and taken on every NEW theory that pops up.
The Loose Change guys aren't offering evidence, just conjecture. Please, dude. I can't believe I wasted my time watching that crap.
Here are better opitcal illusions.
agree to disagree, sir...
Re: September 11 2001
I watched it, and I say again, I've seen better evidence that Elvis is alive.
Yeah, those Loose Change guys are definitely the end all be all experts. Who are they again?
"Please, go watch our movie. Go see our proof on our website. The coroner won't talk to us, so he's a liar too!!!"
Again, they're saying the same bullshit. Because they keep saying it over and over again, doesn't make it true. THEY GOT SCHOOLED, because they had nothing REAL to back up their claims. They don't want to hear from ANYONE who disagrees with them. It's amazing; everyone is lying. Aren't they making money off 9/11? Their conspiracies, to be exact? And they're attacking PM? Plus, the PM guys handled themselves a lot better than two college kids acting like assholes, laughing, interrupting them and calling them liars.
Popular Mechanics has updated their review and taken on every NEW theory that pops up.
The Loose Change guys aren't offering evidence, just conjecture. Please, dude. I can't believe I wasted my time watching that crap.
Here are better opitcal illusions.
Well said sir.
Re: September 11 2001
russtcb wrote:The youtube videos posted are really, really stretching. Seems like a lot of "if this, then that might be" type of stuff. And forgive me, but I don't get the point of the last three pics posted.
It seems people are refusing to accept that video, just like the human eye, can preceive optical illusions. The video's aren't filming things in their actual time, there are limitations to video. Plus, polluxlm, did you ever consider some videos were doctored to try and prove the videos were doctored to dupe you, or try to prove it's a conspiracy?
And what about eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit the building? And the people who saw the planes hit from the buildings themselves? Everyone is lying right? Tens of thousands of people?
I mean, it's getting to the point of utter ridiculousness. It would be easier to just fire a friggin missle into the buildings and say it was from Iraq.
Where is the one, even just one, cameraman who was actually filming nothing that day, and was in on the conspiracy, who's come foraward? In ten years? One person who was in on the conspiracy? You're using some greedy owner of a building who took out an insurance policy as proof. Where's that one guy who'd be making millions right now, who could prove it? And you're trying to tell me there were thousands of people, the entire American media, were in on it, even some nobody producer or cameraman, who could be rich right now, they're all just playing along with the conspiracy to this day.... for what?
All of that and then some. Are people actually of the belief that the planes were made up, never existed? All the passengers who died were made up. Family members who congregate at Ground Zero were all "in on it?" I mean, how far does this go exactly? I'm sorry. I'm willing to admit that the government could have done a lot more to prevent it all from happening, but the conspiracy theories being discussed here sound downright outrageous. If our government could pull that off, they'd be the most brilliant minds of all time. And that, they are not.
Re: September 11 2001
misterID wrote:russtcb wrote:The youtube videos posted are really, really stretching. Seems like a lot of "if this, then that might be" type of stuff. And forgive me, but I don't get the point of the last three pics posted.
It seems people are refusing to accept that video, just like the human eye, can preceive optical illusions. The video's aren't filming things in their actual time, there are limitations to video. Plus, polluxlm, did you ever consider some videos were doctored to try and prove the videos were doctored to dupe you, or try to prove it's a conspiracy?
And what about eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit the building? And the people who saw the planes hit from the buildings themselves? Everyone is lying right? Tens of thousands of people?
I mean, it's getting to the point of utter ridiculousness. It would be easier to just fire a friggin missle into the buildings and say it was from Iraq.
Where is the one, even just one, cameraman who was actually filming nothing that day, and was in on the conspiracy, who's come foraward? In ten years? One person who was in on the conspiracy? You're using some greedy owner of a building who took out an insurance policy as proof. Where's that one guy who'd be making millions right now, who could prove it? And you're trying to tell me there were thousands of people, the entire American media, were in on it, even some nobody producer or cameraman, who could be rich right now, they're all just playing along with the conspiracy to this day.... for what?
All of that and then some. Are people actually of the belief that the planes were made up, never existed? All the passengers who died were made up. Family members who congregate at Ground Zero were all "in on it?" I mean, how far does this go exactly? I'm sorry. I'm willing to admit that the government could have done a lot more to prevent it all from happening, but the conspiracy theories being discussed here sound downright outrageous. If our government could pull that off, they'd be the most brilliant minds of all time. And that, they are not.
Because it was broadcast on national tv. It's not very hard to verify.
The CNN shot. Screen fades to black on impact. Then shifts to a zoom where you don't see anything. Back to panorama after the fireball. Curiously neither the news anchor nor the witness on the ground sees a plane. It's not until the reporter gets a message from his producer that he starts talking about a plane.
The ABC shot. The reporter sees a plane on his screen, the witness on the ground doesn't.
CBS. Do all the news helicopters decide to hover in the same spot in manhattan and zoom in real close at the buildings? Here they actually have a witness that saw a plane, but it was "definitely not a commerical airliner, it was a much smaller plane".
The infamous FOX shot. Here the nose of the plane actually survives impact and exits the building. Not to mention that that's a very suave zoom before impact, only too bad they forgot to add the plane in the wide shot.
This is what happens when a real plane hits a highrise building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation … R6ZQUWvDFs
And yes, where are all the amateur footage? Surely there must have been more than 5 guys with cameras around New York harbour in 2001. Yet those videos are all we have, and they're all inconsistent and fake. Whatever real footage exists probably got snatched by the authorities when however had them turned them in for a buck or whatever. There are also reports of jamming equipment being used at the time of impact:
I obviously don't know how they did it all, but bottom line is those videos are depicting an event that can't happen. Light materials will break and disintegrate when it comes into contact with a stronger object at high speed. Any fuel contained in those materials will ignite immediately. If a plane can't hit water without having its wings break off it surely won't survive through a steel skyscraper unscathed.
Re: September 11 2001
And yes, where are all the amateur footage? Surely there must have been more than 5 guys with cameras around New York harbour in 2001. Yet those videos are all we have, and they're all inconsistent and fake. Whatever real footage exists probably got snatched by the authorities when however had them turned them in for a buck or whatever.
I've seen a lot of amateur footage, and it looks quite the same as the stuff that was broadcast on the news. There was an entire 2 hour program put together that consisted of nothing but amateur video, and reaction in real time. It was the most compelling and haunting footage and reaction that I've seen from any of the 9/11 stuff, and I think I've seen it all. I forget the name of it, but it definitely exists.
- monkeychow
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Re: September 11 2001
I obviously don't know how they did it all, but bottom line is those videos are depicting an event that can't happen.
I disagree.
The plane does smash up the less heavy parts of the structure (glass etc) and clearly explodes when it hits parts that it can't instantly destroy (steel etc).
The jet fuel may not burn stronger than steel..but it doesn't have to....all that has to happen is that it has to hit a part of the structure that is not capable of withstanding a side impact with anything weighting 900,000 lbs and moving at over 500mph....IN ADDITION to the existing pressure and load on the building that it withstands all the time....all that has to happen is some of the structure has to buckle out of shape from the impact and the remaining parts are now holding insane loads of pressure from the building itself in addition to the raging fires and other impact damage...and you trigger a domino effect where the momentum of the floors above failing damage the supports of the floors beneath and have a kenetic force of around a kiloton - which is more than the structures at each level can withstand.
It's god damn tragic is what it is...but there's nothing at all scientifically impossible about it in my opinion...and alternatively...the theories described to fake it require an implausible number of conspirators involved to execute. You're talking about literally hundreds of regular Americans acting in a treasonous way...and while I'd buy that the top brass may take a utilitarian view...I don't think regular soldiers and media and others raised on the "leave no man behind" war ideals are going to be happily slaughtering new yorkers at random.
- Intercourse
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Re: September 11 2001
The planes didn't bring the buildings down. The fuel fires weakened badly fire proofed steel girders which buckled and the buildings own huge size and weight brought it down upon itself.
Re: September 11 2001
The planes didn't bring the buildings down. The fuel fires weakened badly fire proofed steel girders which buckled and the buildings own huge size and weight brought it down upon itself.
I work in the design of highrise bldgs and yes this essentially what happened imo....will elaborate later
