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- IRISH OS1R1S
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Re: September 11 2001
I do not believe in fake planes or cgi or anything like that, but the speed at which the buildings collapsed has always bothered me. A large object free falling from 1,300ft would take roughly 9 seconds and that's in a vacuum (no atmosphere), now add in the resistence of just our atmosphere (oxygen etc) and that will add another second, bringing the time to fall to roughly 10 seconds. The buildings took roughly 11 seconds to fall.
Are we to believe that the intact mass of the building underneath the area of collapse could only offer the same resistance of air? Thats just not possible, unless those resistances are removed in advance of the falling object.
Anywho, I don't really know either way what happened, but the speed of collapse has always been a problem for me, including building 7.
The buildings were also designed for passenger aircraft impacts, they were designed with the biggest passenger planes at the time, and although I can't remember exactly which model of plane it was, I do remember it wasn't much smaller than the actual planes that hit them.
Also in regards fires, here is one example below, I know of others and even worse examples.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UoAT8Uq8-NM
Just one last thing on the subject of it taking too many people and that it would have leaked, the manhattan project had over a million people working on it for years in total secrecy. Regarding a government not doing such a thing, it is now known and admitted that the gulf of Tonkin incident was staged.
Re: September 11 2001
That doesn't make sense either. What do you mean removed in advance? It's the f'n world trade center. Do you think they magically cleared out a bunch of floors and nobody noticed? Do you know how long it would take to clear out a bunch of floors in a skyscraper? Do you know what the odds are of nobody noticing them do it?
In order to "demo" the building, the work would have had to have been done in advance and multiple floors completely cleared out, then tons of explosives being brought into the building, placed on pretty much every floor without anybody noticing and not being set off by the extreme fire that was raging at the time, or having the charges affected by the plane crash.
And all of this would have had to have been done without anybody involved saying a peep about it for more than 10 years. The mob has had people snitching on them for decades and everyone knows they kill you if you squeal; yet they still get snitches. Are you really saying that the gov't can do something that the mob can't? I find that very hard to believe.
Look, we're all troubled by what happened. Not all of it makes sense; in fact, most of it doesn't. Why the obsession with the WTC? Other than the previous attacks, I never thought of those buildings until 9/11. It doesn't make sense; at least it doesn't make any more sense than the rest of it. It is weird the way the buildings collapsed. It's weird that building 7 collapsed much later. It was weird that 4 planes could be hijacked at the same time as easily as they apparently were. It's weird that the military couldn't intercept any of them. There are weird things about the Pentagon crash (as pointed out). There are so many weird things about that day. None of us are denying that. That doesn't mean that there's some conspiracy. There's just no proof at all. There are things that can't be explained, but absolutely no proof whatsoever. Until there is some actual proof (any actual proof), most people aren't going to buy into the conspiracy theories out there. If anybody can provide absolute proof, I would love to hear it and discuss it further.
- IRISH OS1R1S
- Rep: 59
Re: September 11 2001
If it was demolition, then the explosives would have removed the floors, I never made a point that someone actually came in and removed the flooors, lol.
Now with that out of the way I want to explain,
I am not saying that's what happened and I don't believe the conspiracy theories to be truth, nor do I fully believe the official story. The fact is I just don't know, but see valid points on both sides. Now none of that changes the fact that all three buildings fell way too fast. You only get buildings collapse at near free fall speed by taking out the resistance, as in what demolition does.
Re: September 11 2001
If it was demolition, then the explosives would have removed the floors, I never made a point that someone actually came in and removed the flooors, lol.
Now with that out of the way I want to explain,
I am not saying that's what happened and I don't believe the conspiracy theories to be truth, nor do I fully believe the official story. The fact is I just don't know, but see valid points on both sides. Now none of that changes the fact that all three buildings fell way too fast. You only get buildings collapse at near free fall speed by taking out the resistance, as in what demolition does.
In order to be a demolition, they would have had to have cleared everything out or even with the demolition, there would have been too much stuff in there for it to just implode like they wanted it to. That was my point. In other words, without clearing at least half the building, there still would have been too much resistance for it to free fall if you're claiming that's impossible.
I think the reality is that it was something that has never been seen before and nobody can explain it because it's never been seen before. Therefore if you can't explain it easily, there must be more to it. Sometimes that's just not true.
- IRISH OS1R1S
- Rep: 59
Re: September 11 2001
That's just it, it is impossible to free fall through resistance, it breaks the laws of physics obviously there is a reason/answer for it, but what it is I have no idea.
Re: September 11 2001
That doesn't make sense either. What do you mean removed in advance? It's the f'n world trade center. Do you think they magically cleared out a bunch of floors and nobody noticed? Do you know how long it would take to clear out a bunch of floors in a skyscraper? Do you know what the odds are of nobody noticing them do it?
In order to "demo" the building, the work would have had to have been done in advance and multiple floors completely cleared out, then tons of explosives being brought into the building, placed on pretty much every floor without anybody noticing and not being set off by the extreme fire that was raging at the time, or having the charges affected by the plane crash.
And all of this would have had to have been done without anybody involved saying a peep about it for more than 10 years. The mob has had people snitching on them for decades and everyone knows they kill you if you squeal; yet they still get snitches. Are you really saying that the gov't can do something that the mob can't? I find that very hard to believe.
Look, we're all troubled by what happened. Not all of it makes sense; in fact, most of it doesn't. Why the obsession with the WTC? Other than the previous attacks, I never thought of those buildings until 9/11. It doesn't make sense; at least it doesn't make any more sense than the rest of it. It is weird the way the buildings collapsed. It's weird that building 7 collapsed much later. It was weird that 4 planes could be hijacked at the same time as easily as they apparently were. It's weird that the military couldn't intercept any of them. There are weird things about the Pentagon crash (as pointed out). There are so many weird things about that day. None of us are denying that. That doesn't mean that there's some conspiracy. There's just no proof at all. There are things that can't be explained, but absolutely no proof whatsoever. Until there is some actual proof (any actual proof), most people aren't going to buy into the conspiracy theories out there. If anybody can provide absolute proof, I would love to hear it and discuss it further.
The towers were evacuated a number of times in the weeks before the attacks from what I've read, according to people who worked there this wasnt the norm and was regarded as unusual. Mabye the bogymen could've done their prep work during these times?
Someone touched on earlier in the thread on how can you trust some of the video footage on youtube as it could be doctored, I have my doubts on some of it as well, I've seen videos that show strange flashes happening on floors beneath the falling buildings on the way down, Towers One, Two and Seven. They look like charges going off, but I dunno, they could well be fabricated by conspiricy theorists. Reading some of the far out theorys folk have, cant help but think that there will be a lot of stuff on the net touched up to meet their agenda.
Unintentionally I came across a video earlier, I was going to post it here anyway cause it really highlights the massive damage caused to the buildings, the hole in Tower One is fucking massive.
But I was watching it again and noticed something weird, just before the plane strikes Tower 2 the smoke coming out of Tower One changes, there is a blast of internal pressure that pushes out puffs of smoke all around the damaged area on different sides of the tower and on different floors of the building.
A cynic might find it suspicious.
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Re: September 11 2001
I would think it could be related to air pressure changes as the jet flies by, but what do I know. As I said, there's certainly unanswered questions, but I think a lot of them are unanswerable because there's nothing to compare it to. Nothing even close to this has ever happened.
