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Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
In four years I can't say I've ever seen a critical article on Obama in the msm. He could be filmed throwing puppies off a bridge and it simply wouldn't be written about. .
That's absolutely ridiculous. You must be living in a bubble.
Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
I'm not talking disappointing employment statistics critical. I'm talking war mongering, caught lying, overspending, torture and illegal detention critical.
With Bush you'd get the weekly hit piece. Obama is treated like the savior reborn comparatively.
Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
Romeny is willing to go more radically right than Bush, who refused to go as far as they wanted, both on economic and foreign policy, thank God.
What?? When was Bush not willing to go "as far as they wanted" on foreign policy?? He went balls deep into Iraq when it wasn't even necessary!! What more did they want?? I know there was a Syria-Iran plan on the table but it was pretty much vetoed by Bush not because he was afraid of the consequences, but because of the simple fact he ran out of time. A third Bush term would have seen a checkmate move on the Middle East, and Obama(and Romney if elected) are doing the same thing, just a little more slowly and using internal conflict as an excuse to intervene, a slightly different strategy than Bush.
I'd LOVE to see the alternate timeline where instead of Bush invading Iraq, the US bombs the shit out of that long list of countries immediately after 9/11. Maybe Flagg remembers the exact countries but I know the plan had 7 or 8 countries on the list but instead went only into Afghanistan and the Iraq conflict caused them to veto the original plan. Bush may have been a war monger to a certain degree but don't ever forget.......he could have bombed MANY more countries(Liberia,Sudan, Somalia, Syria, Libya, Uganda, Iran, North Korea, etc.) and NOBODY would have said a fucking thing.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
Go see 2016 Obama's America. Very fine documentary. Obama is a great speech giver, but a shitty pres. I am not saying Romney is great, but he can't be worse than Obama. Obama is killing the small business.
- tejastech08
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Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
Go see 2016 Obama's America. Very fine documentary. Obama is a great speech giver, but a shitty pres. I am not saying Romney is great, but he can't be worse than Obama. Obama is killing the small business.
All depends on Romney's economic policies. I really dislike the advisers he has listed for foreign policy. It's a bunch of neoconservatives from the Bush administration. The last thing we need is more expensive interventionist policies overseas when we can't even take care of our own spending issues on the domestic front.
As far as labor unions go, I only have one experience with them. I was working a summer job as a 15 year old for a grocery store. I signed up for the union not knowing that I had a right to turn it down. Then I saw the dues being deducted from my paycheck with absolutely no benefit to me. For a job that only lasted 2-3 months, I really regret signing up for it.
They kind of rushed us through the paperwork. I wasn't given a chance to take it home and ask my parents to give me some advice on it. Makes me wonder just how many other teenagers with summer jobs got roped into the same scenario. Easy money for the union without having to provide any benefits to those workers.
Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
I'm not talking disappointing employment statistics critical. I'm talking war mongering, caught lying, overspending, torture and illegal detention critical.
With Bush you'd get the weekly hit piece. Obama is treated like the savior reborn comparatively.
They trashed him for not rasing taxes when he had Republicans over a barrell. He was trounced for deporting a record number of illegal immigrants. He was trounced for doubling down on Afghanistan, he was trounced for drone attacks, not regulating banks more, etc. I am convinced the claims against the main stream media are from people who do not watch the main stream media, just people who tell you what's "supposedly" going on in the main stream media. The fact you're ignoring how he got trashed for getmo proves you weren't really paying attention.
What?? When was Bush not willing to go "as far as they wanted" on foreign policy?? He went balls deep into Iraq when it wasn't even necessary!! What more did they want?? I know there was a Syria-Iran plan on the table but it was pretty much vetoed by Bush not because he was afraid of the consequences, but because of the simple fact he ran out of time. A third Bush term would have seen a checkmate move on the Middle East, and Obama(and Romney if elected) are doing the same thing, just a little more slowly and using internal conflict as an excuse to intervene, a slightly different strategy than Bush.
Yes, they wanted to go into Iran and Syria also, so yeah, you just proved my point. They wanted to cuts taxes to 20%, which even Reagan's economic advisors have said would have destroyed the economy even more than the Bush Tax cuts did. And trying to use "internal conflict" to invade other countries? If that's the case, the U.S. has had several opportunities to do that and haven't. Like Lebanon for example. If you have evidence of that we're preparing to invade Syria, I'd love to see it. McCain would not have been going batshit in Tampa because we're NOT invading Syria, otherwise. Bush didn't do it for sevearl reasons, one: the military would be stretched too thin, secondly, China and Russia would have rushed in and taken advantage of the situation, which would have given them total control of energy flows, along with the increased risk of terrorist attacks, which Iran has more than a toe in the water with in those networks... Unlike Iraq.
Go see 2016 Obama's America. Very fine documentary. Obama is a great speech giver, but a shitty pres. I am not saying Romney is great, but he can't be worse than Obama. Obama is killing the small business.
I hate to break this to you, but that was not a documentray, it was a political ad. The fact checking went like this:
"The film, written and narrated by conservative scholar Dinesh D'Souza, argues that Obama was heavily influenced by what D'Souza calls the "anti-colonial" beliefs of his father, Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan academic who was largely absent from the president's life.
The assertion that Obama's presidency is an expression of his father's political beliefs, which D'Souza first made in 2010 in his book "The Roots of Obama's Rage," is almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best.
It's true that Obama's father lived most of his life in Kenya, an African nation once colonized by the British, and that Obama's reverence for his absent father frames his best-selling memoir. D'Souza even sees clues in the book's title: "Notice it says `Dreams From My Father,' not `of' my father," D'Souza says.
But it's difficult to see how Obama's political leanings could have been so directly shaped by his father, as D'Souza claims. The elder Obama left his wife and young son, the future president, when Obama was 2 and visited his son only once, when Obama was 10. But D'Souza portrays that loss as an event that reinforced rather than weakened the president's ties to his father, who died in an automobile accident when Obama was in college.
D'Souza interviews Paul Vitz, a New York University psychologist who has studied the impact of absent fathers on children. In Obama's case, Vitz says, the abandonment meant "he has the tension between the Americanism and his Africanism. He himself is an intersection of major political forces in his own psychology."
From there, the evidence D'Souza uses to support his assertion starts to grow thin.
D'Souza says Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, shared his father's left-leaning views. After living in Indonesia for several years, D'Souza said, Dunham sent the younger Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii so he would not be influenced by her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian who worked for American oil companies and fought communists as a member of the Indonesian army.
"Ann separates Barry from Lolo's growing pro-Western influence," D'Souza says in the film. Obama has said his mother had sent him back to Hawaii so he would be educated in the United States.
In Hawaii, D'Souza asserts with no evidence that Obama sympathized with native Hawaiians who felt they had been marginalized by the American government when Hawaii was becoming a state. D'Souza also asserts – again with no evidence – that Obama had been coached to hold those views at Punahou, the prestigious prep school he attended.
"Oppression studies, if you will. Obama got plenty of that when he was here in Punahou," D'Souza says, standing on the campus in Honolulu.
In Kenya, D'Souza interviews Philip Ochieng, a lifelong friend of the president's father, who claims the elder Obama was "totally anti-colonial." Ochieng also discloses some of his own political views, complaining about U.S. policy in Afghanistan and Iraq and saying the U.S. refuses to "tame" Israel, which he calls a "Trojan horse in the Middle East." D'Souza seems to suggest that if a onetime friend of Obama's late father holds those opinions, so, too, must the president himself.
D'Souza then goes through a list of actions Obama has taken as president to support his thesis. Many of them don't hold water:
_ D'Souza rightly argues that the national debt has risen to $16 trillion under Obama. But he never mentions the explosion of debt that occurred under Obama's predecessor, Republican George W. Bush, nor the 2008 global financial crisis that provoked a shock to the U.S. economy.
_ D'Souza says Obama is "weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadists" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He does not mention that Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the drone strikes that have killed dozens of other terrorists in the region.
_D'Souza wrongly claims that Obama wants to return control of the Falkland Islands from Britain to Argentina. The U.S. refused in April to endorse a final declaration on Argentina's claim to the islands at the Summit of the Americas, provoking criticism from other Latin American nations.
_D'Souza says Obama has "done nothing" to impede Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite the severe trade and economic sanctions his administration has imposed on that country to halt its suspected nuclear program. Obama opposes a near-term military strike on Iran, either by the U.S. or Israel, although he says the U.S. will never tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran.
_ D'Souza says Obama removed a bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office because Churchill represented British colonialism. White House curator William Allman said the bust, which had been on loan, was already scheduled to be returned before Obama took office. Another bust of Churchill is on display in the president's private residence."
Sorry you got suckered like that... But why would they want you to concentrate on whether Obama's deadbeat father who abandonded him as a baby and saw him once was a child, instead of... You know... Romney's economic plans:
"WASHINGTON, Aug 1 (Reuters) - Republican U.S. presidential challenger Mitt Romney's proposal to slash income taxes by 20 percent across the board would boost income for the wealthiest taxpayers while reducing it for the middle class, according to a nonpartisan analysis released on Wednesday.
The report by the centrist Tax Policy Center found that Romney's tax cuts would boost after-tax income by an average of 4.1 percent for those earning more than $1 million a year, while reducing by an average of 1.2 percent the after-tax income of individuals earning less than $200,000."
That's about all that's known about Romney's economic plans. 
- Smoking Guns
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Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
Talk to any accountant about Obama and they will tell you how he is a job killer due to the new taxes sitting out there. Especially health care. Once he sets precedent with health care he will be able to force us to do anything. I own a small business, it will cost me so much money to hire new employees if Obama gets his way. Companies like McDonalds and Walmart are exempt from the Healthcare thing because they said it would cost them too much money to insure everyone, but my business would not be. Hilary Clinton should have been our President. Obama is Nothing like Bill Clinton, so get that out of your head.
Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
What else will he be forcing you to do, SG? I mean, what specifically do you think he's going to do?
Did the accountant tell you about all the companies who can hire right now, but aren't? Have they told you about the billions of dollars banks are sitting on that they could be loaning out but aren't?
And he hasn't raised taxes.
Anyway, I want a public option, so I don't like the bill, other than the affordable care act. But the bill does benefit small businesses for companies with fewer than 25 employees that want to offer health benefits -- you can get a tax credit to defray 35 percent of the cost of the insurance. In 2014, those subsidies rise to 50 percent.
When did I say he was Bill Clinton?
Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
Have you ever asked yourself why companies aren't hiring? Why banks aren't loaning? Why people are saving instead of spending? I keep seeing people pointing out that these things are happening, but I've yet to see anybody actually discuss why it's happening.
I think once you can answer those questions, and I mean REALLY answer those questions, you'll understand why things can't continue the way they are.
Re: Election 2012-Issue #1 labor unions/right to work states
Have you ever asked yourself why companies aren't hiring? Why banks aren't loaning? Why people are saving instead of spending? I keep seeing people pointing out that these things are happening, but I've yet to see anybody actually discuss why it's happening.
I think once you can answer those questions, and I mean REALLY answer those questions, you'll understand why things can't continue the way they are.
No, they're waiting to see if Romney will win to bring down their taxes to the lowest they've ever been. Another reason that companies aren't hiring when they can is that during the recession and layoffs, they trimmed their working force and had remaining employees cover the work of those layoffs, increasing their workload and hours without raising pay. Now that these comanies are fiscally sound and have bounced back, it's helped profits to keep fewer employees, while stretching their work force thin. I've heard this from my own ears.
And the election is over. Unless Romney wins all the swing states, including the ones he's behind near double digits, Obama is going to win.
