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Re: US Presidential Debates
I actually registered to vote this year, for the first time since I was 18. That's really all I have to say.
That's interesting. Can you say why without getting into a political debate or endorsing one of the candidates (if you don't want to)?
I didn't vote for a while, then registered to vote again when Perot ran a few years back. For some reason I still had faith in the system then...I don't any more.
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Stacey wrote:I actually registered to vote this year, for the first time since I was 18. That's really all I have to say.
That's interesting. Can you say why without getting into a political debate or endorsing one of the candidates (if you don't want to)?
I didn't vote for a while, then registered to vote again when Perot ran a few years back. For some reason I still had faith in the system then...I don't any more.
Sure, no problem. I just absolutely detest one of the candidates and cannot do my part to not vote against him.
I was registered to vote in MI and then when I "moved" to Ohio, I never registered because I didn't anticipate driving down there to vote every time there was an election, not to mention that I'm not educated enough on most topics to make an informed decision. This year, I have done a fair amount of research on both candidates and their opinions and stances on different issues that are important to me.
I just feel like one of these guys is looking out for me and the other guy isn't. You can infer from that what you wish.
I mailed my application for an absentee ballot today since we will be in Vegas during the election and I want my vote to count.
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I find that interesting too, because the one you think is looking out for you isn't looking out for you nearly as much as he wants you to think he is. Well, maybe in the short term, but certainly not in the long term.
Personally I don't think either is looking out for me. I think one is looking out for himself and people like him; I think the other is just looking to get reelected so he can do whatever he wants to do without worrying about having to be elected again. Either way this is going to be ugly. The guy looking out for himself helps people like him; the other guy ultimately hurts us all. I don't care for either option.
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I had an interesting conversation with someone that works as a vendor at the place that I work. He's not rich and never has been. He probably makes about $10/hr part-time (or less) and his wife works at a grocery store. They are doing okay, but obviously could be doing a lot better. So he was telling me a story about when he want to get his taxes done. He went to a service that does it for free for people that need help doing them.
While he was in there, people that made no effort to work (his words, not mine) were getting money back left and right largely because of the earned income tax credit or whatever they call that. He didn't qualify because he made too much money. He's pissed because all these lazy people do nothing, take benefits from the taxpayers, and people like him and his wife who work hard to barely get by get screwed. There's no incentive for those people at the bottom to get out of the bottom. THAT is the biggest problem facing us economically.
The people that should be getting the credit are the ones that are barely getting by, not the freeloaders at the bottom that make no effort to move forward. That tax credit for someone like him could pay his mortgage for the year. That would allow him to save up some money or buy a decent car instead of a POS. Or he could move to a nicer/safer neighborhood. Reward those making an effort. Give those no making an effort an incentive to do so.
This is coming from a black man that voted for Obama in 2008. He is not voting for Obama in 2012. Not because of this reason, but because the things that this tax break enables are the same things that Obama wants to enact in other areas. Reward those that don't try. He's not interested anymore...he'd rather be rewarded for trying.
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Well, its hard to figure how he knows these people were lazy and free loaders, especially coming from second hand info, but you have to work to get EITC. It's helping those people get out of poverty, so it actually helps the economy. That's why the bill was passed and then expanded by Reagan, Clinton, etc... They still pay state and local taxes, and often real estate taxes in addition to FICA / payroll taxes. These people are usually living below poverty (and working).
Obama blew the debate. Romney was actually making things up on the spot (or planned) and Obama let him get away with it. Obama deserved to lose. He could have destroyed him, but didn't. I don't think that's the way the rest fo the debates will go, especially the VP debate.
Obama is still going to win.
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ID, Not so fast my friend! Obama has NOTHING to run on. No record of achievement. None. Zero. Outside of the fact that he got Bin Laden, the rest of his presidency is shit.... literally shit. He is a used car salesman at his best. I don't like Romney either, but he knows how to make money and run a business...which is what the US is. Considering my wife and I both work for Fortune 500 companies, the economy means quite a bit to me. I am middle class so please don't lump me in with the 1% crowd.
I honestly fear a huge, huge drop in the stock market and value of the dollar should Obama win. If you think corporations are hoarding cash now, just wait and see what happens by the end of the year. Obama is a socialist through and through. Once he has a guaranteed 4 years with no future election on the horizon, he is going to go hog wild.
As for the debate, I was happy that both sides were cordial and respectful of each other.
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ID, Not so fast my friend! Obama has NOTHING to run on. No record of achievement. None. Zero. Outside of the fact that he got Bin Laden, the rest of his presidency is shit.... literally shit. He is a used car salesman at his best. I don't like Romney either, but he knows how to make money and run a business...which is what the US is. Considering my wife and I both work for Fortune 500 companies, the economy means quite a bit to me. I am middle class so please don't lump me in with the 1% crowd.
I honestly fear a huge, huge drop in the stock market and value of the dollar should Obama win. If you think corporations are hoarding cash now, just wait and see what happens by the end of the year. Obama is a socialist through and through. Once he has a guaranteed 4 years with no future election on the horizon, he is going to go hog wild.
As for the debate, I was happy that both sides were cordial and respectful of each other.
I think you make a great point that I tried to make in another thread. Companies are hoarding cash because of fear and uncertainty. It's all about survival for them. They aren't going to spend that cash until they feel safe doing so.
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ID, Not so fast my friend! Obama has NOTHING to run on. No record of achievement. None. Zero.
He has one very very potent point to run on. He can keep Romney out of the oval office.
I think Romney did well last night but, I don't think he was very forthcoming or transparent. Well done to him for a well played game. That said I don't want him in the oval office, he doesn't seem to have my best interests at heart.
