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Guns N' Roses: Appetite for Pastrami
A deli owner's obsession with Axl and company begets the definitive behind-the-scenes account of the band's riseBy SIRAN BABAYAN
Friday, March 7, 2008 - 1:00 pmMarc Canter is perhaps the only Guns N' Roses fan who had Axl Rose tickle the ivories to the tune of 'November Rain' while he and his bride walked down the aisle on their wedding day. And he's perhaps the only fan who had Slash jam with his son at his bar mitzvah. He's still schlepping to places like San Bernardino, as he did in 2006, family in tow, for KROQ's Inland Invasion, where he successfully caught the mike that Axl threw to 65,000 other people. Canter can estimate how many copies Appetite for Destruction is still selling; tell you the first time Slash played a Les Paul; and even point out inaccuracies in Slash's own recently published autobiography. And, yes, there is a new record out there; Axl personally plays it for him. Why? Because years after the classic lineup disintegrated, and years after people stopped asking about Chinese Democracy, Canter '” a 42-year-old father of two and owner of Canter's Deli '” has been the sixth Guns N' Roses member ever since Slash tried to steal his motor bike in the fifth grade.
In the restaurant's Kibitz Room, where a poster of Guns N' Roses opening for Aerosmith on their Permanent Vacation tour hangs above the stage, Canter reminisces about those musician buddies he used to feed free pastrami sandwiches to before they went on to become, as he rightly puts it, the 'last of the poster bands.' And as I listen to Canter, it's clear he wasn't merely the one with the car and steady job. It's as if he attended every band meeting and never stopped recording the minutes, all of which are seemingly included in Canter's book, Reckless Road: Guns N' Roses and the Making of Appetite for Destruction, a gig-by-gig pictorial guide of Guns N' Roses' beginnings, from their first appearance as the Appetite incarnation at the Troubadour in 1985 to the day they became Geffen recording artists. The man behind the most popular local after-hours hangout writing about L.A.'s most legendary hard-rock band of the '80s is as close to the source as if every Queens pizza-parlor owner wrote about the Ramones in the '70s.
'I grew up with Slash, so I already knew his talents,' says Canter. 'I knew he'd make it somehow, even if he was giving guitar lessons.'
'When I went to that first rehearsal and saw them play '˜Anything Goes,' I was blown away,' he remembers. 'All of a sudden, there's Axl giving it everything, and his sound, his range, the melody. It was like, '˜This is real music. This is Led Zeppelin.' It was songwriting, it was image, it was style of playing, it was the sound they had. I noticed that about every three weeks, a new song would come that didn't need any more arranging. I never saw them write a song and throw it out. Everything they came up with was gold. It was perfect. I had butterflies in my stomach before each show.'
Canter actually started the project in the early '90s, after having spent years photographing and videotaping Slash and Axl back in their pre-GNR groups. 'I was gonna capture it even if they didn't go anywhere,' says Canter. 'I was taking these photos, recording these shows for myself, if nothing else.' He's amassed a treasure-trove of memorabilia, as well: newspaper clippings, backstage passes, ticket stubs, club ads, and DIY fliers of the band opening for Johnny Thunders, Ted Nugent and Alice Cooper. (Hard to imagine Guns N' Roses ever played a benefit for Jerry's Kids.) Canter even includes the lyrics to 'My Michelle' written on the back of a water-stained flier, and a $37,500 advance check from Geffen that has Slash''s name misspelled as 'Stash."
Some of Reckless' photographs were included in Rolling Stone's 20th-anniversary-of-Appetite issue last summer, and indeed, they are eye-popping. A framed black-and-white picture of the group still hangs above the Canter's booth where they took their first publicity shot, and the ones taken in the alley wound up on the back cover of their 1986 Live ?!*@ Like A Suicide EP. You'd have to look long and hard on YouTube to find Axl in a thong and chaps, or dancing with Hollywood strippers back when they used to be part of the show. And funny how groups like Poison were the mortal enemies of all serious hard-rock artists back in the day, yet there's Guns in more early publicity shots dabbling in eye shadow and lipstick and eating spaghetti. Foreshadowing?
Canter includes some audio samples of the shows on the book's Web site, Recklessroad.com. But he almost didn't have to bother. If Guns N' Roses were L.A. to the bone, Reckless functions as a sort of before-they-were-stars map taking you through every Sunset Strip joint and beyond, sweat, smoke and all. Every one of the approximately 50 gigs is broken down by set list and the stage banter of beer-and-cigarette calls. You can practically hear Axl tell the Roxy one night, 'This is the '˜Fuck the L.A. Weekly' show,' and the Whisky on another, 'I would like the L.A. Weekly, and the Music Connection, and BAM magazine, and the Reader to feel this one right between the legs.' And you can feel the spit too. 'The Street Scene has gotta be my favorite,' says Canter, referring to the 1985 free outdoor festival, or, as Slash called it, the 'loogie fest,' where the guys were met with a spitting reception from the punk fans of Social Distortion who followed them.
But Canter doesn't walk down memory lane alone. Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler, as well as groupies, failed producers, and former managers and bandmates, all contribute to the book. Steven talks about splitting a cheeseburger five ways; Duff recalls playing a UCLA frat party for beer and 30 bucks; and Slash remembers trading for smack a pair of leather pants his mom made. And by now, almost everything about the making of Appetite is part of rock & roll legend: 'Nightrain' was an ode to cheap wine, 'My Michelle' was about a junior high friend of Slash's whose father worked in the porn industry, etc. But if you need to hear it straight from the stripper's mouth, Adriana Smith-Durgan, then a teen dancer at the Seventh Veil and Adler's girlfriend, opens up about her contribution to the album: having sex with Axl in the studio for the moaning effects on 'Rocket Queen.' Even funnier is Tom Zutaut, the A&R man who signed Mötley Crüe to Elektra, recalling how the Geffen deal came through: After a record-company bidding war, Guns N' Roses originally wanted to go with Chrysalis, but only if its A&R woman agreed to walk naked down Sunset Boulevard. She obviously didn't.
After being pressed into naming his favorite tracks, Canter, not surprisingly, admits, 'Oh, that's a hard one. Every song means something else to me. '˜Sweet Child' is my favorite because the lead gives me chills. '˜Nightrain' is just a fun song, like you're on a conveyor belt and you're just going. '˜Mr. Brownstone' '” Slash's wah-wah pedal grabs me in a certain way. '˜So Easy' '” that's the epitome of Duff. Now you're getting a piece of the punk part. That was my favorite song for them to open with.'
Canter was never on the band's payroll, which is why he's remained friends with all of them. 'Slash, I've been friends with since the fifth grade. If he ever plays a gig anywhere he knows I'm at, he always calls me the next day to get a report of how he sounded. Axl, I've always been close with. If he's in my neighborhood, he'll stop by my house unannounced. All of a sudden, the doorbell rings and it's Axl. '˜C'mon, let's go.' And he'll put me in his car and drive me to the studio. And he'll say, '˜What do you think of this?' And he'll play a really cool song he just wrote. He knows I'll give him an honest opinion.'
So a guy who rides around with Axl has to have the answers, right? Except after nearly 15 years and so little activity, the questions have gone from where and when to why even carry on as Guns N' Roses. 'Everyone's heard the songs,' says Canter. 'He plays them live. They're all over the Internet. I myself have heard the record '” and there is a record. And it's excellent. I'm proud to hear it. Is it right that he's calling it Gun N' Roses? What else is he gonna call it? The Axl Rose Project? Axl's been writing with these people for the last decade, and recording and experimenting. Axl can do it. He's not gonna just throw in the towel and say, '˜Oh, well, Slash is gone.' He's gonna make it work somehow. And he has. He's created a new band out of it. As long as you still have Axl, you still have Guns N' Roses. The singer is really the most important part in a band sometimes. Axl feels that he is the voice of Guns N' Roses. If you were Axl, would you give up that name?
'At the worst, you're seeing Beatlemania with Paul McCartney. And at the best, you're seeing some of the old stuff and what Axl has to offer to the future.'
Canter's even hopeful about a reunion. 'They'll be eligible for the Hall of Fame five years from now,' he says. 'Maybe by then they'll graduate kindergarten and talk to each other.'
http://www.laweekly.com/music/music/gun … 85/?page=1
thanks to gunzen @ mygnr
Re: Marc Canter interview (W/ CD mention)
not really because Canter heard tracks in Aug 2006, more recording was done in 2007 and it is now 2008-things can change daily in the mind of a madman....and nobody has any fuckin' idea whether or not Halfin has the album. He most likely had the Classic Rock/Mick Wall 11 song cd of unmastered/not finally mixed tracks. Considering we don't know if the cd has been turned in to the label, we CERTAINLY don't know that a guy who CLEARLY dislikes Axl has the final album. Canter is a very longtime friend-two different stories between Halfin and Canter. Halfin was also the funny guy to say that the original Gnr was getting back together at Download a few years ago.:nervous: Just another wannabe rockstar-journo-photographer type who thinks HE is rock and roll....another asshole who likes yanking Gnr fans chains.
Re: Marc Canter interview (W/ CD mention)
this is what Canter said "over there"
What I was trying to say is Slash should come clean and apologize to the press for some things he has said and done over the years. I have asked Slash to do that and to stop saying things to the press about axl. I think the reason Slash won't do that is because in his mind he won't look Cool. With Slash everything has to be so cool. So the fact that Slash won't do that I feel that its like being in kindergarten. I want Axl to be able to look at Reckless Road and enjoy it,but how can he when there are photos of Slash everywhere. It's like looking at you wedding album after a bad divorce and now your in a new marriage that your very happy with. I think if Slash would Apologize, there would be less tension.
now, many things about this make no sense to me....
1. if he heard CD and loves it....why does he want a reunion?
2. if he truly is a mate of both parties, he would respect Axl's wishes for a new direction.
3. why does he think that one of his best friends should publicly embarass himself with an apology like that?
4. does he really think that slash's apology would make things better?
5. didn't slash go to axl's house to apologise last year? wasn't that good enough?
this dude is sending mixed signals....either the album sucks bigtime....and a reunion is the only way out of this mess...or axl is so damaged by slash and vr that there is no way in hell that he could continue to live his life unless slash publicly apologises....
or he got shat on by axl when his book came out, because that book is very much slash oriented...but then again, he did consult axl in pre-production of it....and axl chose not to have any more photos of himself in it.....
its weird....very weird...
Re: Marc Canter interview (W/ CD mention)
He said he would like to get them together for the rock and roll hall of fame....4 years from now. He is not contradicting himself.:headbang: The key sentence is the bad divorce part....just like Waters and Gilmour. They haven't really gotten over it. It took 25 years for Floyd to mend fences and they only could squeeze out 3 songs. The thing is Axl can do the new band and old band if he really wanted to. He could have his cake and eat it too....just too much lingering tension between Axl and Slash. No one is to blame...BAD DIVORCE. Not weird either, this shit has happened to tons of great bands over the years. Generic rock and roll stuff.
Re: Marc Canter interview (W/ CD mention)
Not weird either, this shit has happened to tons of great bands over the years. Generic rock and roll stuff.
what i meant by weird was that he doesn't appear to be supporting either one of his two friends with that remark....but if you look at it as a hall of fame once off performance, then it kind of makes sense....
still, to say that Slash should publicly apologise, when Axl's temper and actions are one of the main reasons for Slash leaving...is weird....
very weird in fact...considering he's slash's big buddy....
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Re: Marc Canter interview (W/ CD mention)
Canter statement from MyGnr today
"Axl sounds great the record sounds great the songs are great. Also I heard the record in Aug. of 2006 so its hard to remember that much more about it. I just remmember it was very good. Also they may have added some things to it since then."
Canter statement from HTGTH today
"What I was trying to say is Slash should come clean and apologize to the press for some things he has said and done over the years. I have asked Slash to do that and to stop saying things to the press about axl. I think the reason Slash won't do that is because in his mind he won't look Cool. With Slash everything has to be so cool. So the fact that Slash won't do that I feel that its like being in kindergarten. I want Axl to be able to look at Reckless Road and enjoy it,but how can he when there are photos of Slash everywhere. It's like looking at you wedding album after a bad divorce and now your in a new marriage that your very happy with. I think if Slash would Apologize, there would be less tension."
Now I am not suprised that these comments haven't gotten any response because they are positive for CD and Axl and are critical of Slash. Now we got nice long threads about Slash's book and his version of the breakup. Another long thread about some fucking photographer's comment about 2 songs he alleged he heard from the album. Yet, we get some other WAY different perspectives from an objective (at least in regards to the Axl/Slash situation), close to the situation insider and......no comments from the peanut gallery.....:ummm:
