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Re: Coachella Festival profile and rumours
A Private Eye wrote:misterID wrote:If there's a hybrid band, which is what I believe, it's clear they're rejoining more than a reunion, no matter how it's promoted.
Sorry but isn't that just semantics? I fail to see the difference at this stage or the relevance.
Axl owns the name and has for 20 years, that's never going to change. Slash, Duff et al recording/touring with Axl as GNR is a reunion.
Reunion would be reuniting the afd or uyi line up. They'd be joining the current/Latest/last line up. If they're moving forward with Axl's album, I'd call it rejoining the band, but you know, whatever people see it as. Money is in marketing a reunion. It will be seen as a reunion.
Had lunch with a fellow Guns fan friend who isn't following all the hype. Told him about the hybrid model and we discussed the possibility of Slash working on Chinese leftovers.
His thoughts: "if that's the case, you can say Axl won the war. All he ever wanted was Slash to work on more cutting edge material. If Slash does rejoin the band, they keep playing CD songs plus Slash works on Axl's modern material written with other people, it's the scenario Axl wanted in 96. But everybody had it neglected for 20 years."
He is really pro Slash but he sounded bitter about him. A different point of view from what I've been seeing on forums. Like "if you're going to go Axl's way, why now and not 20 years ago?"
I found that amusing.
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Looking at the Vegas lineup (which is a fitting name for them), you got
Axl - DJ - Fortus - Ron - Tommy - Dizzy - Pitman - Frank.
Reshuffle, the guys in bold leave or their contracts expire.
Axl - Slash - Fortus - Izzy - Duff - Dizzy - Pitman - Frank.
Replace them with original members and it's quite balanced.
You get a rhythm section which has been tried and tested on the road and with Duff. This last bit is crucial - Duff, being the bassist, would be the guy to gel this bunch into a solid unit. Izzy I included in this hypothesis for the sake of the argument. Fortus would be the most skilled wingman Slash has ever had, and he's also humble enough to step away from the spotlight. He can do variations on the more exotic leads on CD songs and serve as the all-purpose rhythm / co-lead on older material. With Fortus on stage, Izzy's superfluous in regards to getting the job done.
The argument about Slash refusing to do any and all CD songs sounds like fanboy bitterness to me. Axl would want to have, say, 3 songs included. CD, Better and The Blues come mind. I would imagine Slash would approach them the same way he would take on any cover song. Learn the parts, rehearse with the band and figure out the ways to inject your style into them, to make them your own. Much like how Robin and Bucket did with his stuff to begin with. Why would Slash want to argue with Axl about that? That's asking for trouble.
Lastly, why a hybrid configuration instead of 'just' a reunion? First off, Axl. He has an emotional attachment to the crew that've stood by him for a better part of the decade. I can imagine he'd feel antsy about taking the stage as an AFD 5-piece. He'd need to harken back to 1987 and that might well end in tears. Physique aside, his mental state might prove a stumbling block. Second, CD. I'd imagine Axl would want any reunion to also serve as a continuation of his 'vision' of Guns. He'd need the big band sound to pull off the new songs. Third, the big band sound camouflages the wear on Axl's voice and performance. 1987 was several lifetimes ago.
Axl aside, I find Adler to be a pipedream beyond anything other than guest appearances. The reasons should be obvious to anyone. He'd be a nightmare to get an insurance, and his antics might soon grow tiresome to everyone else. If I were their manager, I'd say 'Fuck this headache' right off the bat. As for Izzy, he'd likely embrace the idea of doing select shows as a full member and perhaps guest appearances on a bigger tour. But knowing Izzy, I can see why he'd like to see where things would go before making any long-term commitments. He would remember 1991 quite vividly.
I'd find that 'hybrid' lineup to be plausible, and it would certainly be an interesting one to see.
I'm actually really interested in hearing Slash play with Richard.
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Great points.
The argument about Slash refusing to do any and all CD songs sounds like fanboy bitterness to me.
It's not bitterness to me. I just don't see much of a point in doing it. Crowd reaction to those songs is minimal at best, the album is in dollar stores,etc. Now if Cd II is coming in some form, yeah I would expect something besides 87-93 songs being in the set.
I wouldn't mind hearing TIL just so we could hear the solo that was originally intended for it. I wish he had saved it for a reunion actually. Song would have been a massive selling point for any reunion album, even a GH/Best of.
Axl - Slash - Fortus - Izzy - Duff - Dizzy - Pitman - Frank.
Real or hybrid, I have no problem with them ditching the 3 guitarists thing. Unless CD II is coming out and getting massively promoted heavy in the set, either Dizzy or Pitman isn't required.
Having said that, I'm supporting whatever is being thrown at us. Regardless of who is in the lineup, I think the CD era of waiting with no updates and all the other amateur crap that's been endured off and on for so many years is over. I think they're going to swing for the fences this time. Touring of course and we're definitely getting anniversary/deluxe editions of albums in the coming years. The only question IMO is how much new material we're gonna get out of it.
Completely agree on Adler. Best case scenario he is in Izzy's 2006 role.
Re: Coachella Festival profile and rumours
His thoughts: "if that's the case, you can say Axl won the war. All he ever wanted was Slash to work on more cutting edge material. If Slash does rejoin the band, they keep playing CD songs plus Slash works on Axl's modern material written with other people, it's the scenario Axl wanted in 96. But everybody had it neglected for 20 years."
He is really pro Slash but he sounded bitter about him. A different point of view from what I've been seeing on forums. Like "if you're going to go Axl's way, why now and not 20 years ago?"
I found that amusing.
Or Slash won the war judging by what he accomplished and what Axl did the past 20 years. Hell, just VR alone did more damage on the rock scene than GNR ever did in the 00s.
I'm not even looking at it in those terms, just pointing out how both sides can make their point.
I don't think either of them won. Both of their careers could have been so much better had everything not went to shit in 94. They both had some success to varying degrees post 94. They actually have enough time left to do something substantial and that is what's important IMO.
Re: Coachella Festival profile and rumours
otto wrote:His thoughts: "if that's the case, you can say Axl won the war. All he ever wanted was Slash to work on more cutting edge material. If Slash does rejoin the band, they keep playing CD songs plus Slash works on Axl's modern material written with other people, it's the scenario Axl wanted in 96. But everybody had it neglected for 20 years."
He is really pro Slash but he sounded bitter about him. A different point of view from what I've been seeing on forums. Like "if you're going to go Axl's way, why now and not 20 years ago?"
I found that amusing.
I don't think either of them won. Both of their careers could have been so much better had everything not went to shit in 94.
this.
Re: Coachella Festival profile and rumours
http://99scenes.com/guns-n-roses-voulai … fest-2016/
8 million per show? Even if 2016 is just a limited festival run they are going to make a killing.
contract ready with Orianthi that fell through to replace him.
A DJ-Orianthi lineup would have been a disaster of biblical proportions. I cant even imagine it although signing DJ proved anything was possible. I'm glad it isn't happening.
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Re: Coachella Festival profile and rumours
http://99scenes.com/guns-n-roses-voulai … fest-2016/
8 million per show? Even if 2016 is just a limited festival run they are going to make a killing.
misterID wrote:contract ready with Orianthi that fell through to replace him.
A DJ-Orianthi lineup would have been a disaster of biblical proportions. I cant even imagine it although signing DJ proved anything was possible. I'm glad it isn't happening.
Other than Orianthi being a pretty girl, THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT HER PLAYING THAT DOZENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF PRO MALES PLAYERS CAN ALSO DO. She is a great player, but not needed for GNR. And if you were getting her to be a shredder, which she can do, she too will pale in comparison to Bucket. So I am glad that didn't happen. Time to get THE GNR guitarist back.
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Time to get THE GNR guitarist back.
I don't think either of them won. Both of their careers could have been so much better had everything not went to shit in 94.
Uh huh.
The way the band's public image has been handled for the past two decades is atrocious. Axl's been generally refusing to do anything and that's one key area where Slash's absence has been felt. Had they kept going, Slash could've done all (most) of the guest appearances, interviews and appearances, whilst praising Axl's artistic ability and driving home the point that he's a good guy, just fed up with fame - all the while keeping the Guns brand active.
Slash could've had a solo career on the side, whilst Axl could've returned to the spotlight every 3-5 years with some new Guns material. Had Slash been out there putting the good word out, Axl could've held up in his mansion and tinkered on things on his own time without much of an issue.
One would've become a guitar hero while the other would've become a recluse mastermind. They would've just needed to roll out the band in regular intervals to strengthen that notion.
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I still think they'd play "There Was A Time" and maybe 1 or 2 other tracks from the album at different shows. No one's suggesting they play Riad, Silkworms, Scrapped, If The World, Shackler's Revenge or any other song that even the current line-up doesn't play or hardly ever played.
Re: Coachella Festival profile and rumours
I still think they'd play "There Was A Time" and maybe 1 or 2 other tracks from the album at different shows. No one's suggesting they play Riad, Silkworms, Scrapped, If The World, Shackler's Revenge or any other song that even the current line-up doesn't play or hardly ever played.
I agree with this. They might throw in 1 or 2 songs to stretch the setlist, rotating from a mix of 3 or 4 (Street of Dreams, Better, CD, TIL) changing it up now & then. But yeah it's not gonna be any deep cuts or anything remarkable. It'd be like Metallica throwing in St Anger once in a while.
There won't be any "mix". It's all or nothing. Maybe if Izzy isn't up for it, but I still say they take back Gilby. Drummers could go either way, not sure Stevie can handle the UYI stuff, and Matt probably has a legitimate gripe in a way if he does. They'd probably bring Steve in mid show to handle some AFDs, and 2 or 3 UYIs he can handle, giving Matt a bit of a break.
Pittmans out. Dizzys got a small role, same as 91-94.
