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TheMole
 Rep: 77 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

TheMole wrote:
Axlin16 wrote:

Unfortunately what's happened is, now you have to be a believer in Climate Change in order to be a "good Democratic candidate". No different than Republicans all have to mark out to God or Christianity, in order to even get consideration.

The sad thing is, in both cases these positions represent the opinions of a vocal minority. Far from all liberals are gung-ho about climate change, and even amongst conservatives the religious nutcases are a small minority.

Axlin16 wrote:

Climate change is a real thing, but unfortunately it has been bastardized by the Globalists in order to suit their agenda, have raped the land and bankrupted the system... and still... they're trying to find a gimmick (Climate change) to get US to pay for it.

It's funny, in most other developed countries climate change is predominantly the concern of non-Globalists. Liberals are typically economically conservative and ethically progressive. Just looking at the definition of the word "liberal", as-in "for personal freedom", it seems to me that the term is seriously misused in the States.

Axlin16 wrote:

Like I said. Bernie strikes me as a man that has good intentions. He just doesn't live in the real world. He's envisions some Star Trek-ian world where all problems are solved and the Federation runs everything fluidly. It's just not realistic.

He's not nearly as ambitious or out there as people make him seem to be. Forget about the term socialist for a minute, no party in Europe would think Bernie anything more than center-left, he's way too moderate for that. His proposals are very likely to work well for the US, but I do agree that they will require a significant change in the way the government is run to make it more efficient and (more importantly) effective.

Axlin16 wrote:

As crazy as it sounds, true balance would be Donald Trump as President (the face, the image, nothing more), Rand Paul as Vice President (the brains, the actual decision maker), Ted Cruz as Sec. of Treasury, Jesse Ventura as Sec. of Defense, and Bernie Sanders as Secretary of State.

I don't necessarily agree with the exact list you're proposing here, but clearly the US would benefit from a complete retooling of the government apparatus. I think you need the following:

  • Start by getting rid of the electoral college, in this day-and-age the people get enough info about the elections and each candidate's platform without having to rely on state representation. Just use the popular vote.

  • Without the electoral college, there will be a better chance of getting rid of the two-party system. Ultra-right or ultra-left wing parties are absolutely necessary, but they need to be counterbalanced by moderate parties instead of just their polar opposite. I'd say a right-wing "Tea Party", a Conservative Party, a Liberal Party, a Green Party and a left-wing Socialist Party should all be viable candidates.

  • With a real multi-party system, votes should not be afraid to support more nuanced positions. It almost guarantees that the rough edges of even the most extreme positions will never affect policy due to the need to form coalitions. Even is the Tea Party were to be voted in, they'd need the conservative party which would defend it's moderate positions.

Smoking Guns
 Rep: 330 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

Smoking Guns wrote:

polluxlm
 Rep: 221 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

polluxlm wrote:

Donald Trump: 'I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters'

US Republican frontrunner Donald Trump is so confident in his support base that he said he could stand on New York’s Fifth Avenue “and shoot somebody” and still not lose voters.

Speaking in Iowa, Trump claimed he could withstand any attempt by his political rivals to knock him off his top perch.

Trump, the New York billionaire and former reality TV star who has been virtually impervious to attacks from his opponents, pushed the limits of his political rhetoric again in Sioux Center, Iowa.

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters,” he said.

For his rivals, Trump has become a hard target to criticise because not all of his supporters are conservatives and many are most interested in his projection of strength, not where he stands on a particular issue.

The latest Reuters-Ipsos tracking poll had Trump pulling in 40.6% support of Republican voters nationally. A CNN/ORC poll has Trump up in Iowa with 37% to 26% for Cruz, who has led in some other Iowa polls.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 … ose-voters

polluxlm
 Rep: 221 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

polluxlm wrote:

Did he mean his voters wouldn't care, or that none of them hangs out on Fifth Avenue? 10

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

James wrote:

He's right. I'll vote for him even if its just a 'protest' vote. I'm sick of the current political situation in this country and Trump or someone like him is the only way it's going to implode.

I wanted it to be Jesse Ventura for years. Unfortunately its not but what Trump is doing is exactly how I thought a Ventura candidacy would go down.  It's going to take someone from the outside who flips a coin and runs in the two party system to actually bring on real change.

People whine about his lack of experience. GOOD. Our next president doesn't need the kind of experience these politicians have.

polluxlm
 Rep: 221 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

polluxlm wrote:

I'm still waiting for my European Trump to vote for. Wonder who it will be. Got to be someone I figure.

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

James wrote:

Europe is begging for its Trump and I know where he's going to surface.....Germany once Merkel is out of the way.

TheMole
 Rep: 77 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

TheMole wrote:

Europe already has it's Trump, and he's called Geert Wilders (The Netherlands). The multi-party systems en Europe generally keep crockpots like that from gaining enough power to do any real damage (they'd need an absolute majority for that), but they add enough fuel to the fire the scare the establishment parties.

James, Merkel's party (CDU) would still get 37% of the vote if there were an election in Germany today (down from 39% in a poll mid last year or 44% in the last election in 2013). The extreme right-wing party would get 11% (and this is from a poll taken right after the Cologne attacks). Sure, the CDU will lose some votes, but no way in hell that Frauke Petry becomes Chancellor.

Europe is not begging for it's Trump, a vocal minority is spreading FUD.

Axlin16
 Rep: 768 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

Axlin16 wrote:
Rex wrote:

What he said makes complete sense. That climate change would lead to people fighting over water and land to grow crops. How is that stupid?

As for him being boring, look at some of his other videos. He's very passionate and knowledgeable about the things he talks about. He's got my vote.


Btw I just wanted to re-quote this, because I forgot something.

Never forget, this globalist orchestrated event of scarcity (which ironically was covered in detail on Sunday's "X-Files" premiere), is a totally different issue than climate change.

All of the principles involved have merged this all into one thing. "Climate change will lead to scarcity. One day, a barrel of potable water will be worth more than a barrel of crude oil, if we don't do something to stop climate change NOW!"

These are two entirely different issues. But that's not how the globalists as well as the media have presented the issue to the masses. Of course climate change is real, it's practical science, but this man-made bullshit has been manipulated. The war of scarcity that the globalists want to wage on the world, do nothing but benefit them (MORE, jeez how much is enough), and has been skewed to be a "pay reparations" issue to third-world countries, in order for the dirty USA and their industrialist, capitalist, pig lifestyle. They have polluted the world, and we must pay them, and then the money just goes into the rich pockets. It's another money scam.


I could go into even more detail, but bottom line, what Bernie is talking about is a scarcity war, and merging it with climate change. Those are two totally different issues. Not one. Hilary KNOWS THAT. Bernie I think is honestly oblivious. He buys into it. I think Bernie's heart is in the right place. He's just ignorant and a victim of the system no different than the rest of us.

polluxlm
 Rep: 221 

Re: Donald Trump running for President

polluxlm wrote:

Wilders is more like a European Nader or Paul. Hitler put an end to the Trump type characters in politics over here.

What you have is Trump like parties. Progress party in Norway, Swedish democrats, UKIP UK etc. In those you'll find plenty of Donald characters, but none with the leadership qualities to mount anything based on their personas.   

NPD might not be polling like Hitler yet, but recent events are likely to give them another surge. NSDAP didn't need an absolute majority to gain power in Germany. If things continue like they do the establishment will be more than a little scared. Police and media are already under orders to suppress news which could potentially give these parties votes. In an atmosphere like that the lid may very well blow off if the economy falters.

They may not be begging for a Trump, but many people are tired of the status quo and the establishment lies. Right wing parties are on the rise all over Europe and that without a terrible economy. If people start losing jobs for real I think the result will be predictable.

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