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buzzsaw wrote:bigbri wrote:To be fair, Trump doesn't know what he's going to do, either. He's woefully unprepared, overwhelmingly unqualified to run a country and laughably unfit to lead the west's biggest armed forces.
That is scary. I'm not ashamed to be scared of a Trump presidency. He's not fit to run my local coffee shop or school board.
This kind of thinking is scary. You can't trust him, but you trust Hillary who has shown over and over that she will also only do what's in her best interests? I don't understand this thinking at all. Hillary lies as much or more than Trump. She's all about her and her agenda. Nothing has changed about her since Obama correctly identified her faults 8 years ago, but now she's so trustworthy to be President because you know the stupid shit she's going to do instead of not knowing?
The truth is Trump isn't going to do anything. Pence will effectively be running the country. Trump has no interest in anything but the title and the attention...he's not interested in the work.
I'll still take Gary Johnson and his foreign policy concerns over either of them. He'll have someone else handling that for him anyway. That's how this works. None of them do it all...they rely on their advisors.
The difference is that while Hillary lies with a clear purpose (to further her career, to get elected, to squash her competition, to eventually implement her psuedo-neoconservative policies), Trump lies about every fucking little thing that he thinks will further boost his already ginormous ego. He's just a fragile little egomaniac that is looking for affirmation from whoever wants to give it to him, and if that be semi-retarded small-minded racist rednecks, then that's where he'll go. The mind-numbing stupidity that he oozes out of every pore is just blindingly obvious to me... I mean Gary Johnson may be uneducated on certain topics, but he at least has the mental capacity to think through his actions. Trump is just plain old stupid. But worse than him being stupid is that his ego makes him a volatile motherfucker that you simply should not allow anywhere near a position of power. Combine the two, and it's clear that he is too dumb to understand the consequences of his own ego-driven actions...
Hillary might be a liar, but at least she's competent. Even if you don't agree with her policies, you must concede that she's fucking good at what she does.
She's incompetent. The only thing she is is good at taking care of herself. She's the female trump, but everyone ignores it because she's a lawyer and nows how to play a crowd.
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Well, Belgium has the highest effective income tax rate for single people in the world at 43%, the OECD average is 25% and the US is at 22.5%. Given how close that is to the average, there's absolutely no reason why the US wouldn't be able to afford a proper public health system.
Sure there is. Nobody is interested in paying more taxes. The gov't is corrupt and incompetent. They cannot run anything successfully (see social security, medicare, etc). If healthy people don't sign up, there's no way this is sustainable.
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TheMole wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Higher premiums and higher deductibles. Can't blame the insurance companies for this. It's what happens when you mandate healthcare that's too expensive for the healthy people to sign up for.
And yet... somehow... in every fucking other civilized country on the face of the fucking planet they manage to make this system more affordable and more accessible... while at the same time still having an on average higher quality of service than in the US. Go figure...
Interesting. That's not what a lot of people that live there say. I hear Canadians complain all the time about their taxes and the wait to see a doctor. I think this is just another falicy that people love to throw out there to say how bad we are that's without merit. Sure, they have universal health care but it's expensive and slow. There's a price for everything. Nothing is free.
As long as you're not one of the 15 million retards unable to get health insurance, medical care is superior in the US to any other place. Maybe not dramatically, but the notion that other countries have superior care is solely predicated on the false notion most other countries have "free" and easy access to health care.
Everyone wants to compare the US with other western nations, but they always ignore the elephant in the room when it comes to US demographics.
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Well, Belgium has the highest effective income tax rate for single people in the world at 43%, the OECD average is 25% and the US is at 22.5%. Given how close that is to the average, there's absolutely no reason why the US wouldn't be able to afford a proper public health system.
We have a lot more poor people and a lot
More illegal immigrants.
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Canada has good basic health care. But the people didn't want to pay more in taxes so they must wait for stuff like a knee replacement etc. where as in the US you can get a surgery next week. Canada has a good system. But they way it is set up is that it is only great for minor and basic shit and serious stuff you may have to wait. But they didn't want to pay more in taxes which why they don't have more high end health care.
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Interesting. That's not what a lot of people that live there say. I hear Canadians complain all the time about their taxes and the wait to see a doctor. I think this is just another falicy that people love to throw out there to say how bad we are that's without merit. Sure, they have universal health care but it's expensive and slow. There's a price for everything. Nothing is free.
I can't speak for Canada of course (I have read the waiting lists for specialists are indeed fairly long, never for emergency care though, and priorities are set based on needs), but I can tell you that over here (Belgium) we have both greater access to doctors than in the US (insurance companies have no say as to which hospital/doctor you visit), as well as some of the shortest waiting periods in the world. But in all cases can anyone walk into any hospital and get essential treatment, for free. Also, do not forget that the socialist-style universal health care systems are in almost all cases complemented by a second tier (for which private insurance is available, although again without some of the limitations you will find in the US) for things like elective surgery, access to experimental treatments as well as better (strictly non-medical) services (poshly appointed private rooms, etc..., private rooms in hospitals in the swiss alps, ...).
Don't go by what people say, go by statistics. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing except that no system is perfect.
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TheMole wrote:Well, Belgium has the highest effective income tax rate for single people in the world at 43%, the OECD average is 25% and the US is at 22.5%. Given how close that is to the average, there's absolutely no reason why the US wouldn't be able to afford a proper public health system.
Sure there is. Nobody is interested in paying more taxes. The gov't is corrupt and incompetent. They cannot run anything successfully (see social security, medicare, etc). If healthy people don't sign up, there's no way this is sustainable.
Granted, the quality of public services in the US has not generally been of a level that would inspire me to believe the first stab at a universal (single payer) health care system would be an unmitigated success. That doesn't change the fact that any insurance system benefits the most from economies of scale, and the most scale can be had by instituting a universal, country-wide health care system.
But this is all besides the point, these are policies choices after all that aren't up for consideration at this stage. More important is recognizing Trumps unfathomable stupidity compared to Hillary.
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My how this conversation turns in circles.
Everyone always says Hillary has done nothing. But when I look at Trump, I see an abysmal failure, as well. What has he accomplished? Being D-list celeb?
Tell you what, if I inherited as much money as he did I bet I could do as well as he has without trying that hard.
If he were an NFL QB, he'd be Joe Flacco at best.
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But when I look at Trump, I see an abysmal failure, as well. What has he accomplished? Being D-list celeb?
I'll admit, he is personable. He's sorta like your funny uncle who comes by during the holidays. For instance, compared to other 'billionaires', he's probably the most entertaining for television. I couldn't imagine Eagles owner Jeff Lurie, Pats owner Robert Kraft or Bill Gates having a TV show that's any good whatsoever. Mark Cuban is one of the few who comes to mind, but he just doesn't compete with Trump in a entertainment value way.
TV - yes.
Politics - no.
To the rest of your point they say if he just invested his money in the general stock market funds in 1980 he'd have had just as much money as he has today.
