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- Randall Flagg
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Randall Flagg wrote:And yes, I wish I could re-vote. Trump is an anti-intellectual, but Clinton is a 21st century Stalin.
You've got to be kidding me! This turns you around? You've learned nothing new about Hillary.
I removed that as soon as I hit submit. That was a bit unfair and me speaking out of anger. She's dirty as shit. I voted how I voted. I stand by that. I still think she should be nowhere near the oval office. It's a lose/lose regardless.
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Best case scenario Hillary loses and Obama makes the charges go away. Worst case, she wins, the FBI brings up charges, and a civil war breaks out. Glad I got a new case of M16 ammo just in case the crazies take to the streets.
What
Wtf
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Much ado over nothing right now.
Comey said the FBI “cannot yet assess” whether the material “may be significant” and that he “cannot predict how long it will take us to complete this additional work.”
This won't make a difference at all, not at this point.
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Yes, because she's responsible for the deaths of 50million people.
Funny you say that. I went to Belfast Met with someone who claimed to be a good friend of a certain Scottish MP, who thought Stalin was a hero.
He'd always say "show me the bodies".
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Randall Flagg wrote:And yes, I wish I could re-vote. Trump is an anti-intellectual, but Clinton is a 21st century Stalin.
You've got to be kidding me! This turns you around? You've learned nothing new about Hillary.
That's the thing.
This isn't a game-changer because both are already known commodities. The problem for Trump is he's a shitstain on humanity, and nothing can change that.
I early voted like many people, so while Trump supporters will think this changes things, it really turns what was turning into a blowout into a closer race. Hell, Obama was ahead by 1 or behind in some polls at this time in 2012.
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Stalin had some good ideas.. I'd send Polluxlm on the first train to Siberia!
Edit: I don't really mean that Polluxlm. I love you really.
Smoking Guns on the other hand would be off to the gulags in an instant. & that's if I was in a good mood!
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The press is full of "breaking news" stories that FBI Director James Comey has "reopened" the Clinton email investigation. It's juicy news less than two weeks before the election. But it's not quite right.
Here's the text of Comey's letter:
When the FBI wants to say it is reopening an investigation, it knows perfectly well how to say that. In this case, the investigation was actually never actually closed, so it doesn't need to be reopened. The relevance of this letter is likely not that explosive new evidence of Clinton criminality has suddenly emerged.
It is that Comey made a set of representations to Congress that have been complicated by new information, apparently from the Anthony Weiner sexting case. So he's informing Congress of that fact before the election.
Comey represented to Congress that the Clinton email investigation was "complete." But as the letter relates, new emails have now come to the bureau's attention in that appears relevant to this one. (Weiner's estranged wife is one Clinton's top aides.) Comey has okayed a review of that new information to determine whether the emails contain classified material and also whether they are, in fact, relevant. And this fact, renders his prior statement to Congress no longer true.
The key point here, in other words, is not that he is "reopening" a closed matter investigation because of some bombshell. It is that he is amending his public testimony to Congress that the FBI was done while the bureau examines new material that may or may not have implications for investigative conclusions previously reached.
Here's the subtext: Comey and FBI investigated Clinton hard, and when various legal and practical hurdles made it impossible to move forward with any kind of criminal case against her, he stated his view—quite unflattering to her—that her behavior had been "extremely careless" with highly sensitive information.
He did this in public because he made a decision that Clinton and her team deserved public scrutiny for their acts, because she is a major party candidate for president. This is why he went out of his way—maybe too far—in revealing unfiltered information so that the public had the opportunity to consider it before voting for or against her.
This summer, in other words, he closed the investigation, stated his reasons, and took arrows both from those who thought he should have gone forward with a case and those who thought he should have said much less than he did.
And he testified before Congress that he was done.
The trouble is that now he has learned something which he thinks may complicate his earlier judgments. And he has authorized additional investigative steps to find out. He found out that he is not done. So the question is whether to tell Congress (and the public) or not.
Even at the risk of helping Trump, Comey has notified Congress (and the world) about it so as to clarify his prior testimony. This allows voters to judge how to consider this before the election—even though he will almost surely not be able to say anything more until after the election. It's a way of not pretending that the investigation is "complete" when he knows there is some degree of residual issue.
If you're inclined to be angry with Comey over this, imagine that he had not said something and it emerged after the election that, having testified that the investigation was complete, he authorized additional investigation of a new trove of emails.
Comey and the FBI are in a terrible position here, one in which they would be accused of playing politics whatever they ended up doing.
The interesting question here is whether the FBI's predicament is Comey's own fault. It's certainly not his fault that the email mess fell into his lap and had to be investigated in the year of an election. Nor is it his fault that the the FBI ended up investigating the DNC hack and whatever trouble Weiner has gotten himself into of late. Reasonable minds will differ about whether Comey leaned too far foreward in publicly disclosing information about his thinking on the email case. He can be criticized for having said and disclosed too much and thereby made his problem worse.
But what you can't reasonably say here is that Comey has been anyone's political lackey. Over the howling objections of many Republicans, he ended the Clinton email investigation, concluding that "no reasonable prosecutor" would go forward with a case. Over the snarls of the Clinton forces, at the same time, he commented quite disparagingly about the behavior of the woman who is likely to become his boss. And now, with the election only days away, he has amended his prior resolution of the case to deal with new information.
Say what you will about the FBI, but it's surely been independent.
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Much ado over nothing right now.
Comey said the FBI “cannot yet assess” whether the material “may be significant” and that he “cannot predict how long it will take us to complete this additional work.”
This won't make a difference at all, not at this point.
They don't even know if what they have is important and it definitely won't be figured out before election, so yeah.
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polluxlm wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:And yes, I wish I could re-vote. Trump is an anti-intellectual, but Clinton is a 21st century Stalin.
You've got to be kidding me! This turns you around? You've learned nothing new about Hillary.
That's the thing.
This isn't a game-changer because both are already known commodities. The problem for Trump is he's a shitstain on humanity, and nothing can change that.
This.
All it really does is give the big mouths extra ammunition, but any rational person will still see Clinton as the lesser of two evils/by far the better candidate.
The questions are, how many rational people are there in the US & how many of them will turn out to vote? Probably enough. It just won't quieten the loud mouths.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:Best case scenario Hillary loses and Obama makes the charges go away. Worst case, she wins, the FBI brings up charges, and a civil war breaks out. Glad I got a new case of M16 ammo just in case the crazies take to the streets.
What
Wtf
I've said for a while I have concerns that Trump supporters will act out if he loses. I did 9 years in the Army. I'm not some cityphile who hopes and prays police show up in time. I'm 99% sure the ammo will sit in its crate for the next 50 years. But just in case, I'm prepared to make some wannabes very sorry should they head my direction.
