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misterID

We have a system where millions of votes don't count. I live in TN, my vote for Hillary and Obama was meaningless. Is that fair? Had it been by popular vote my vote would've mattered. It's the reason more people don't vote. If you live in a predominantly red or blue state, why bother? I'm seriously thinking of going back to Florida where my vote will matter.

Smoking Guns

misterID wrote:

I have no sea what tyo think about Trump. He fills his cabinet with right wing extremists and establishment phonies. But he says this, basically everything he said to get elected he's back tracking.
CNN.com
Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it'
Eric Bradner
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 10:23 PM ET, Sun November 13, 2016

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it'

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Sunday told his supporters to stop harassing minorities, in his first televised sit-down interview since becoming President-elect.
"I am so saddened to hear that," Trump told CBS' Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" when she said Latinos and Muslims are facing harassment. "And I say, 'Stop it.' If it -- if it helps, I will say this, and I will say right to the cameras: 'Stop it.'"
Trump directed his comments to his own supporters whom Stahl said have written racist slogans or chanted degrading messages -- particularly in schools. It was a powerful appeal to a nation ripped apart by the divisive 2016 campaign. Trump's election has left Democrats angry and many minorities fearful about the future.
Yet Trump also criticized the protests that have broken out in cities across the United States since his defeat of Hillary Clinton on Tuesday.
Trump said he's seen "a very small amount" -- including "one or two instances" -- of racial slurs being directed at minorities, particularly in largely white schools, since his election.
"I would say don't do it, that's terrible, because I'm going to bring this country together," Trump said.
As for anti-Trump protests, Trump said, "I think it's horrible if that's happening. I think it's built up by the press because, frankly, they'll take every single little incident that they can find in this country, which could've been there before. If I weren't even around doing this, and they'll make into an event because that's the way the press is."
Here are six topics Trump addressed the interview:
FBI review
In the wide-ranging interview Trump also said he's still deciding whether to ask FBI Director James Comey for his resignation.
Trump demurred when asked about his plans for Comey -- whose decision to end the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server was widely panned by Republicans.
"I think that I would rather not comment on that yet," Trump said. "I haven't made up my mind. I respect him a lot. I respect the FBI a lot. ... There's been a lot of leaking, there's no question about that. But I would certainly like to talk to him."
He admitted he isn't sure about Comey's future. "I'd want to see, you know, he may have had very good reasons for doing what he did," Trump said. Comey has more than six years to go in his ten-year term.
Trump also balked when asked whether he'd carry out his campaign pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton.
He said Clinton "did some bad things" and that he's "going to think about it" -- but that he is more eager to focus on health care, immigration and other policy matters.
"I don't want to hurt them," Trump said of the Clintons, noting he'd spoken to both Hillary and Bill Clinton since his victory. "They're good people. I don't want to hurt them. And I will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do '60 Minutes' together,'" he said.
Hillary Clinton has cited Comey's late-campaign season disclosures as a reason for her loss. The former secretary of state told donors in a conference call Saturday that Comey delivered a double whammy to her candidacy in the final days of the campaign by taking another look at emails related to Clinton's private server before abruptly saying he found no wrongdoing.
In the interview, Trump also discussed lobbyists' role in his transition, his distaste for the Electoral College and the future of the Trump business brand. And he waded into how abortion and gun rights would be affected by his Supreme Court nominations.
Same-sex marriage and abortion
Trump said he's "fine" with same-sex marriage remaining legal across the country, and wouldn't appoint Supreme Court judges with the goal of reversing that ruling.
"It's irrelevant because it was already settled. It's law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it's done," Trump said.
He added: "These cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They've been settled. And- I'm -- I'm fine with that."
Trump also pledged to appoint judges who oppose abortion rights and oppose restrictions on Second Amendment gun rights.
If Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, were overturned, Trump said, decisions on whether to legalize or ban abortion would return to states.
Women seeking abortions whose state has banned them will "perhaps have to go -- they'll have to go to another state," Trump said.
"We'll see what happens. It's got a long way to go, just so you understand. That has a long, long way to go," he said.
Draining the swamp
Trump's rallying cry on the campaign trail was that he'd "drain the swamp" in Washington. But so far, Trump's transition team is filled with the usual suspects -- lobbyists and longtime Washington hands.
Trump didn't chafe at that characterization of his transition team. "Everybody's a lobbyist down there," he said, referring to Washington.
"That's the problem with the system -- the system. Right now, we're going to clean it up. We're having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we're going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren't happy about, but we're putting on term limits. We're doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist," Trump said.
He said relying on those lobbyists now while planning to eliminate them later is no contradiction.
"I'm saying that they know the system right now, but we're going to phase that out. You have to phase it out," Trump said.

Trump won more electoral votes than Clinton -- but he didn't win the popular vote.
Still, he says, he favors ditching the Electoral College and handing the presidency to the winner of the popular vote.
"I'm not going to change my mind just because I won. But I would rather see it where you went with simple votes. you know, you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win. There's a reason for doing this because it brings all the states into play," Trump said.
How is his supporters going to take all that?

Well, that was awesome to read. Trump is going to win everyone over. You watch.

slcpunk

AtariLegend wrote:

Their was a story awhile back that Axl's hated Trump for years so it shouldn't be a surprise and apart from that he's suggested he leaned democrat a few times over the years.

Axl said he would vote Obama in the last election. Although he also said he rarely votes since California is a sea of blue.

misterID

Smoking Guns wrote:

misterID wrote:
I have no sea what tyo think about Trump. He fills his cabinet with right wing extremists and establishment phonies. But he says this, basically everything he said to get elected he's back tracking.
CNN.com
Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it'
Eric Bradner
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 10:23 PM ET, Sun November 13, 2016

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it'

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Sunday told his supporters to stop harassing minorities, in his first televised sit-down interview since becoming President-elect.
"I am so saddened to hear that," Trump told CBS' Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" when she said Latinos and Muslims are facing harassment. "And I say, 'Stop it.' If it -- if it helps, I will say this, and I will say right to the cameras: 'Stop it.'"
Trump directed his comments to his own supporters whom Stahl said have written racist slogans or chanted degrading messages -- particularly in schools. It was a powerful appeal to a nation ripped apart by the divisive 2016 campaign. Trump's election has left Democrats angry and many minorities fearful about the future.
Yet Trump also criticized the protests that have broken out in cities across the United States since his defeat of Hillary Clinton on Tuesday.
Trump said he's seen "a very small amount" -- including "one or two instances" -- of racial slurs being directed at minorities, particularly in largely white schools, since his election.
"I would say don't do it, that's terrible, because I'm going to bring this country together," Trump said.
As for anti-Trump protests, Trump said, "I think it's horrible if that's happening. I think it's built up by the press because, frankly, they'll take every single little incident that they can find in this country, which could've been there before. If I weren't even around doing this, and they'll make into an event because that's the way the press is."
Here are six topics Trump addressed the interview:
FBI review
In the wide-ranging interview Trump also said he's still deciding whether to ask FBI Director James Comey for his resignation.
Trump demurred when asked about his plans for Comey -- whose decision to end the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server was widely panned by Republicans.
"I think that I would rather not comment on that yet," Trump said. "I haven't made up my mind. I respect him a lot. I respect the FBI a lot. ... There's been a lot of leaking, there's no question about that. But I would certainly like to talk to him."
He admitted he isn't sure about Comey's future. "I'd want to see, you know, he may have had very good reasons for doing what he did," Trump said. Comey has more than six years to go in his ten-year term.
Trump also balked when asked whether he'd carry out his campaign pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton.
He said Clinton "did some bad things" and that he's "going to think about it" -- but that he is more eager to focus on health care, immigration and other policy matters.
"I don't want to hurt them," Trump said of the Clintons, noting he'd spoken to both Hillary and Bill Clinton since his victory. "They're good people. I don't want to hurt them. And I will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do '60 Minutes' together,'" he said.
Hillary Clinton has cited Comey's late-campaign season disclosures as a reason for her loss. The former secretary of state told donors in a conference call Saturday that Comey delivered a double whammy to her candidacy in the final days of the campaign by taking another look at emails related to Clinton's private server before abruptly saying he found no wrongdoing.
In the interview, Trump also discussed lobbyists' role in his transition, his distaste for the Electoral College and the future of the Trump business brand. And he waded into how abortion and gun rights would be affected by his Supreme Court nominations.
Same-sex marriage and abortion
Trump said he's "fine" with same-sex marriage remaining legal across the country, and wouldn't appoint Supreme Court judges with the goal of reversing that ruling.
"It's irrelevant because it was already settled. It's law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it's done," Trump said.
He added: "These cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They've been settled. And- I'm -- I'm fine with that."
Trump also pledged to appoint judges who oppose abortion rights and oppose restrictions on Second Amendment gun rights.
If Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, were overturned, Trump said, decisions on whether to legalize or ban abortion would return to states.
Women seeking abortions whose state has banned them will "perhaps have to go -- they'll have to go to another state," Trump said.
"We'll see what happens. It's got a long way to go, just so you understand. That has a long, long way to go," he said.
Draining the swamp
Trump's rallying cry on the campaign trail was that he'd "drain the swamp" in Washington. But so far, Trump's transition team is filled with the usual suspects -- lobbyists and longtime Washington hands.
Trump didn't chafe at that characterization of his transition team. "Everybody's a lobbyist down there," he said, referring to Washington.
"That's the problem with the system -- the system. Right now, we're going to clean it up. We're having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we're going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren't happy about, but we're putting on term limits. We're doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist," Trump said.
He said relying on those lobbyists now while planning to eliminate them later is no contradiction.
"I'm saying that they know the system right now, but we're going to phase that out. You have to phase it out," Trump said.

Trump won more electoral votes than Clinton -- but he didn't win the popular vote.
Still, he says, he favors ditching the Electoral College and handing the presidency to the winner of the popular vote.
"I'm not going to change my mind just because I won. But I would rather see it where you went with simple votes. you know, you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win. There's a reason for doing this because it brings all the states into play," Trump said.
How is his supporters going to take all that?
Well, that was awesome to read. Trump is going to win everyone over. You watch.

Except each of those things goes against what his supporters put him in the white house to do. And he also filled his cabinet with establishment, wealth supremacists and greedy, alt right white nationalists. And I still question whether he actually wants to be president.

Smoking Guns

misterID wrote:

Smoking Guns wrote:
misterID wrote:
I have no sea what tyo think about Trump. He fills his cabinet with right wing extremists and establishment phonies. But he says this, basically everything he said to get elected he's back tracking.
CNN.com
Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it'
Eric Bradner
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 10:23 PM ET, Sun November 13, 2016

Trump to supporters harassing minorities: 'Stop it'

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Sunday told his supporters to stop harassing minorities, in his first televised sit-down interview since becoming President-elect.
"I am so saddened to hear that," Trump told CBS' Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" when she said Latinos and Muslims are facing harassment. "And I say, 'Stop it.' If it -- if it helps, I will say this, and I will say right to the cameras: 'Stop it.'"
Trump directed his comments to his own supporters whom Stahl said have written racist slogans or chanted degrading messages -- particularly in schools. It was a powerful appeal to a nation ripped apart by the divisive 2016 campaign. Trump's election has left Democrats angry and many minorities fearful about the future.
Yet Trump also criticized the protests that have broken out in cities across the United States since his defeat of Hillary Clinton on Tuesday.
Trump said he's seen "a very small amount" -- including "one or two instances" -- of racial slurs being directed at minorities, particularly in largely white schools, since his election.
"I would say don't do it, that's terrible, because I'm going to bring this country together," Trump said.
As for anti-Trump protests, Trump said, "I think it's horrible if that's happening. I think it's built up by the press because, frankly, they'll take every single little incident that they can find in this country, which could've been there before. If I weren't even around doing this, and they'll make into an event because that's the way the press is."
Here are six topics Trump addressed the interview:
FBI review
In the wide-ranging interview Trump also said he's still deciding whether to ask FBI Director James Comey for his resignation.
Trump demurred when asked about his plans for Comey -- whose decision to end the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server was widely panned by Republicans.
"I think that I would rather not comment on that yet," Trump said. "I haven't made up my mind. I respect him a lot. I respect the FBI a lot. ... There's been a lot of leaking, there's no question about that. But I would certainly like to talk to him."
He admitted he isn't sure about Comey's future. "I'd want to see, you know, he may have had very good reasons for doing what he did," Trump said. Comey has more than six years to go in his ten-year term.
Trump also balked when asked whether he'd carry out his campaign pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton.
He said Clinton "did some bad things" and that he's "going to think about it" -- but that he is more eager to focus on health care, immigration and other policy matters.
"I don't want to hurt them," Trump said of the Clintons, noting he'd spoken to both Hillary and Bill Clinton since his victory. "They're good people. I don't want to hurt them. And I will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do '60 Minutes' together,'" he said.
Hillary Clinton has cited Comey's late-campaign season disclosures as a reason for her loss. The former secretary of state told donors in a conference call Saturday that Comey delivered a double whammy to her candidacy in the final days of the campaign by taking another look at emails related to Clinton's private server before abruptly saying he found no wrongdoing.
In the interview, Trump also discussed lobbyists' role in his transition, his distaste for the Electoral College and the future of the Trump business brand. And he waded into how abortion and gun rights would be affected by his Supreme Court nominations.
Same-sex marriage and abortion
Trump said he's "fine" with same-sex marriage remaining legal across the country, and wouldn't appoint Supreme Court judges with the goal of reversing that ruling.
"It's irrelevant because it was already settled. It's law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it's done," Trump said.
He added: "These cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They've been settled. And- I'm -- I'm fine with that."
Trump also pledged to appoint judges who oppose abortion rights and oppose restrictions on Second Amendment gun rights.
If Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, were overturned, Trump said, decisions on whether to legalize or ban abortion would return to states.
Women seeking abortions whose state has banned them will "perhaps have to go -- they'll have to go to another state," Trump said.
"We'll see what happens. It's got a long way to go, just so you understand. That has a long, long way to go," he said.
Draining the swamp
Trump's rallying cry on the campaign trail was that he'd "drain the swamp" in Washington. But so far, Trump's transition team is filled with the usual suspects -- lobbyists and longtime Washington hands.
Trump didn't chafe at that characterization of his transition team. "Everybody's a lobbyist down there," he said, referring to Washington.
"That's the problem with the system -- the system. Right now, we're going to clean it up. We're having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we're going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren't happy about, but we're putting on term limits. We're doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist," Trump said.
He said relying on those lobbyists now while planning to eliminate them later is no contradiction.
"I'm saying that they know the system right now, but we're going to phase that out. You have to phase it out," Trump said.

Trump won more electoral votes than Clinton -- but he didn't win the popular vote.
Still, he says, he favors ditching the Electoral College and handing the presidency to the winner of the popular vote.
"I'm not going to change my mind just because I won. But I would rather see it where you went with simple votes. you know, you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win. There's a reason for doing this because it brings all the states into play," Trump said.
How is his supporters going to take all that?
Well, that was awesome to read. Trump is going to win everyone over. You watch.
Except each of those things goes against what his supporters put him in the white house to do. And he also filled his cabinet with establishment, wealth supremacists and greedy, alt right white nationalists. And I still question whether he actually wants to be president.

Well, time will tell... I think he will shake things up... He better or he will be gone.

polluxlm

Appointing Bannon as his right hand advisor goes a long way in confirming that this Presidency will not be business as usual.

buzzsaw

misterID wrote:

We have a system where millions of votes don't count. I live in TN, my vote for Hillary and Obama was meaningless. Is that fair? Had it been by popular vote my vote would've mattered. It's the reason more people don't vote. If you live in a predominantly red or blue state, why bother? I'm seriously thinking of going back to Florida where my vote will matter.

The electoral college exists for a reason. We are a collection of states. The big states would overrun the small states if it didn't exist. 3/4 of the states would have to sign off on getting rid of it. It's not going anywhere.

johndivney

polluxlm wrote:

Appointing Bannon as his right hand advisor goes a long way in confirming that this Presidency will not be business as usual.

I'm assuming you approve. How's that checklist looking? Best president in 200 years?

AtariLegend

johndivney wrote:

polluxlm wrote:
Appointing Bannon as his right hand advisor goes a long way in confirming that this Presidency will not be business as usual.
I'm assuming you approve. How's that checklist looking? Best president in 200 years?

It took me till his Andrew Jackson post to figure out that he was joking the whole time.

bigbri

polluxlm wrote:

Appointing Bannon as his right hand advisor goes a long way in confirming that this Presidency will not be business as usual.

This is true. We've never had an openly white nationalist, anti-Semitic top presidential adviser before. Be proud.

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