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Okay, the media was lying, the crowd was awesome. Trump just released the real picture of the ignaguration, so there's no denying it.
Hahahah 
- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:PaSnow wrote:In 2011 there was Al-qaeda, so it wasn't all rainbows.
Also, look at our economy in 2017 compared to October 2009. Don't worry, Repubes will manage to F it up again. Just wait.
Our economy is built on a house of cards at the moment built on a zero interest rate over the past 8 years. It is still fragile. There are still people hurting. We are not back to predepressiom levels.
Why deny reality? The country is doing good. I've been showing you guys for years, literally showing you, and you denied reality. But hey, at least you have a new term with Alternative Facts, aka, Real Big Fucking Lies. A lie wrapped in a lie.
I am in construction. Where are nowhere near pre 2007 levels. We just are not. Not even close.
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Smoking Guns wrote:Listen, The press Sec should NOT have called a special briefing for that shit. However, it was something that the media was focused on and they focused on it to diminish Trump and to try to show that nobody likes him. I get it. It was all CNN and MSNBC talked about up until the press briefing. They kept showing one pic from the max crowd for Obama and then showed an early pic from Trump's inauguration. So the media is NOT innocent here. However Trump needs to let that shit go.
Yes the media is innocent, they were reporting what they saw. I was saying it because I was staring at EMPTY STANDS.
It was all a Maddow and O'Donnel spoke about in an effort to humiliate Trump. Yes, it was a smaller crowd, but they spoke of it constantly to mock Trump and his supporters. Made them seem small to me.
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Smoking Guns wrote:Joy Reid, Lawrence O'Donnel, and Rachel Maddow pretty much lie and exaggerate non stop about Trump where as Chris Matthews, Greta, Stephanie Ruhl, etc seem to be a little more reasonable and fair. But Joy Reid comes off as very unintelligent to me. Matthews and others constantly have to tell her to take a step back and get some perspective. She seems nice and probably is smart but when she exaggerates shit so bad she looks dumb. Trump gives enough ammo alone if you just report the facts. No need to lie.
Show me where they lied. Instances, please.
Joy lies and exaggerates constantly about how Trump is going to kick out 11 million families, how he is coming after the LGBTQ community, how he is banning all Muslims. That isn't happening. That kind of fear shit is promoting an agenda. Trump has said repeatedly he wants to focus on criminals when it comes to immigration. He had Caitlyn Jenner with him at the inauguration, he wants to limit people coming in from regions of high terror. Calling him a bigot, misogynist, racist, over and over and over and over again won't make him one. But it will spread a lot of false fear. Trump married an Immigrant! His son in law and now Daughter are Jewish. Omorosa is on his staff, Ben Carson is in his cabinet, Kelly Anne Conway is on his staff.
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Yea, I was way off on Obama in 2008. I've been using that lesson learned to tell the rest of you to knock it off on Trump.
Just because you were duped by right wing media leading up to the Obama presidency doesn't mean we are duped by what Trump ACTUALLY SAYS leading up to his.
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misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Joy Reid, Lawrence O'Donnel, and Rachel Maddow pretty much lie and exaggerate non stop about Trump where as Chris Matthews, Greta, Stephanie Ruhl, etc seem to be a little more reasonable and fair. But Joy Reid comes off as very unintelligent to me. Matthews and others constantly have to tell her to take a step back and get some perspective. She seems nice and probably is smart but when she exaggerates shit so bad she looks dumb. Trump gives enough ammo alone if you just report the facts. No need to lie.
Show me where they lied. Instances, please.
Joy lies and exaggerates constantly about how Trump is going to kick out 11 million families, how he is coming after the LGBTQ community, how he is banning all Muslims. That isn't happening. That kind of fear shit is promoting an agenda. Trump has said repeatedly he wants to focus on criminals when it comes to immigration. He had Caitlyn Jenner with him at the inauguration, he wants to limit people coming in from regions of high terror. Calling him a bigot, misogynist, racist, over and over and over and over again won't make him one. But it will spread a lot of false fear. Trump married an Immigrant! His son in law and now Daughter are Jewish. Omorosa is on his staff, Ben Carson is in his cabinet, Kelly Anne Conway is on his staff.
How can you say that's not happening when he's filled his cabinet with people who have said they want to do just that? Letme get this straight, because his son in law is Jewish, he hired a black guy and a woman on his staff, that automatically makes him a good guy and erasing all those ugly things he's said and people he's aligned himself with? You realiuze you're using the old, "I'm not a racist, I have a black friend...but my one black friend!"
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misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Our economy is built on a house of cards at the moment built on a zero interest rate over the past 8 years. It is still fragile. There are still people hurting. We are not back to predepressiom levels.
Why deny reality? The country is doing good. I've been showing you guys for years, literally showing you, and you denied reality. But hey, at least you have a new term with Alternative Facts, aka, Real Big Fucking Lies. A lie wrapped in a lie.
I am in construction. Where are nowhere near pre 2007 levels. We just are not. Not even close.
That's not true. We are doing much better than we were pre 2008.
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misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Listen, The press Sec should NOT have called a special briefing for that shit. However, it was something that the media was focused on and they focused on it to diminish Trump and to try to show that nobody likes him. I get it. It was all CNN and MSNBC talked about up until the press briefing. They kept showing one pic from the max crowd for Obama and then showed an early pic from Trump's inauguration. So the media is NOT innocent here. However Trump needs to let that shit go.
Yes the media is innocent, they were reporting what they saw. I was saying it because I was staring at EMPTY STANDS.
It was all a Maddow and O'Donnel spoke about in an effort to humiliate Trump. Yes, it was a smaller crowd, but they spoke of it constantly to mock Trump and his supporters. Made them seem small to me.
I watched it, and Maddow was saying how his team fucked up, because there were sparse crowds in the most highly viewed areas and they should have filled those places up. It's not their job to run Trump propaganda and not show the crowds and not mention attendance.
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misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Our economy is built on a house of cards at the moment built on a zero interest rate over the past 8 years. It is still fragile. There are still people hurting. We are not back to predepressiom levels.
Why deny reality? The country is doing good. I've been showing you guys for years, literally showing you, and you denied reality. But hey, at least you have a new term with Alternative Facts, aka, Real Big Fucking Lies. A lie wrapped in a lie.
I am in construction. Where are nowhere near pre 2007 levels. We just are not. Not even close.
And we never will be...that was all unsustainable
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President Obama is giving President-elect Trump a welcome gift: A pretty good economy.
Unemployment is at its lowest level since 2007.
Home prices are back at all-time highs.
Growth is picking up. The economy expanded at a 3.2% annual rate from July through September.
Even the middle class is (finally) getting a raise in pay.
"President Trump really is inheriting an economy that's pretty solid," said Kevin Hassett, an economist at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, on CNBC Friday.
The "Obama economy" deserves a "B or B+" grade, says Paul Ashworth, chief economist at Capital Economics.
Related: Unemployment rate falls to 4.6%
Grading the Obama economy
That's not an A, but the economy is certainly better off than it was when Obama walked into the Oval Office in 2009. Back then, the country was in the midst of a deep financial crisis and recession. The very month Obama took office, nearly 800,000 Americans lost their jobs.
Obama believes he hasn't received enough credit for the big turnaround.
"Anyone claiming that America's economy is in decline is peddling fiction," Obama said earlier this year.
Unemployment has fallen dramatically from 10% to just 4.6% now. America has gained over 11 million new jobs since Obama took office.
Related: How good were the 10.9 million jobs created under Obama?
Trump points to those left behind in recovery
Trump has repeatedly called the unemployment rate "a joke" and "a hoax." It's unclear whether he will change that message when he takes office. Then he would be able to take credit for keeping unemployment down -- or even causing it to go lower.
For now, Trump continues to hammer the Obama economy as terrible.
"Companies are not going to leave the United States anymore without consequences," Trump said at a speech at a Carrier factory in Indianapolis, Indiana. "We're losing so much."
While hiring has picked up rapidly under President Obama -- 2014 and 2015 were the best years of job growth since the late 1990s -- the gains have almost all come in the so-called "service sector," not in manufacturing and blue collar work.
"There are some people doing fabulously well and others on death's doorstep. And there's a heck of a gulf in between," says Mark Hamrick, senior economic analyst at Bankrate.com.
The U.S. has 54,000 fewer manufacturing jobs now than a year ago, according to the Labor Department.
Trump is trying to stem that decline. He and vice President-elect Mike Pence negotiated a deal with Carrier to keep about 1,000 jobs in Indiana. Some of those jobs would have gone to Mexico.
The Obama team counters that 1,000 jobs is small compared to the 178,000 jobs added in November alone. It was the 74th consecutive month of job gains under Obama.
Related: Trumponomics suddenly gets big Wall Street thumbs up
Can Trump do better?
Trump and his new team of economic advisers promise to hypercharge U.S. growth. They say they can get it to 4% -- stronger than recent years when the economy has grown only 2%.
The question is how.
Trump wants big tax cuts for businesses and individuals. He's also planning to roll back regulation and spend more on roads and bridges.
Wall Street has given these plans a big thumbs up. The stock market rallied to record levels in November after Trump won the presidency. Business and consumer confidence has also shot up since the momentous win.
Related: Trump taps top CEOs for their views on the economy
The big problem for Trump
There's just one catch: The U.S. economy has less potential to grow now than in the past, argues economist Ashworth.
Two key factors drive growth: More people entering the workforce and workers being more productive on the job.
Right now, the U.S. has an aging population and little appetite for much more immigration, so it's hard to see more workers flooding into the workforce. Trump likes to claim 94 million Americans are out of work and need jobs, but that's not correct. That number includes retirees, people in school and those who have chosen not to work in order to take care of their family.
In reality, about 2.1 million lost their jobs in recent years and appear to have simply given up looking. They are the hidden unemployed. Getting them jobs won't be easy as many jobs today require specialized skills.
Trump's big hope is to get productivity up by encouraging businesses to invest more in their factories, research and workers. Business investment has been one of the missing parts of the recovery.
"We're not quite there yet, but we've made a considerable amount of progress," says Ashworth.
CNNMoney (New York)
First published December 2, 2016: 12:05 PM ET
