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- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:People always cite US deaths AFTER 9/11
I don't reference it, because I know someone who died in it. Went to school with him. He was 2 years younger than me, and lived next door to a friend of mine. I still remember making an 'obstacle course' and running randomly thru their yards and seeing who was fastest. He died in one of the towers. So yeah, I never mention it by name, cause I'm not gonna go there. Not on some Gnr message board at least, it's personal & sacred ground for me. Coincidentally I'm actually at my parents house today (in my Moms basement;) and his old house is about a mile or two away. FWIW his parents had a "Say No To War" sign out front for years until they moved away. Spoke volumes back in 02-08 era.
In terms of major attacks, Obama kept us safe for 8 years regarding that. You gotta give him credit for that. This nitwit steps in & stirs up a hornets nest in a week.
I give Obama credit if you give Bush credit for a total of 0 Islamic Terrorist attacks in the US post 9/11-Obama inauguration.
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I give Obama credit if you give Bush credit for a total of 0 Islamic Terrorist attacks in the US post 9/11-Obama inauguration.
What?? Are you fucking stupid?? Zero AFTER the worst disaster in US History?!? That's the most absurd argument I ever heard?! THAT is what his and Dick Cheney's legacy is. I swear if it occured when a Democrat was President we'd never have another Democratic President for 50 years. But when it's a Republican all we hear right away is "Obama's gotta get outta there. He's soft!"
Republicans are fucking stupid.
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PaSnow wrote:Secondly, (umpteenthly), do you know what kindof recruiting tool this is? If anything gets foreigners amped up to hate us more its a nimrod like this & Brietbart running the show. San Bernadino, Orlando, Boston, they were just random lone wolfs. Not organized strikes. No different than Dylan Roof, Batman, Virginia Tech, Newtown. Should we ban all Christians from owning guns?
Christian's aren't killing people for their god. Why do I care if the Hajis get riled up over this. They won't be able to enter our country. Trump banned them. What part of this isn't penetrating your skull?
Let them recruit and train for a war for Allah. We'll be better able to kill them by following their behavior and web traffic.
I don't know how to make this any clearer. I don't care if Syrians are killing each other. I'm not going to sacrifice shit to help them. And neither are you. You're not going to do a fucking thing to help them. You'll bitch on the internet, maybe even march downtown on a Saturday after noon when you're not busy. But you don't sacrifice a fucking thing or do anything to inconvenience yourself to help these people you claim to care about. That goes for all of you. You'll sit in your nice western home with the heat on eating a hoagie with extra mayo and talk. None of you have actually done anything to change the world. But you think liking a comment on Twitter or marching in a circle has any fucking impact on reality. It doesn't.
Trump is going to continue to shatter the false barriers that have been built. And most of you will be too busy arguing over what pronoun should be used to call a man who mutilated his body and took estrogen shots. As long as your stomach is full and you have fun things to keep you entertained, you won't sacrifice a fucking thing.
You are more stupid than Kelly Anne Conway & Sarah Palin put together.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/ … index.html
Inside the confusion of the Trump executive order and travel ban
Washington (CNN)When President Donald Trump declared at the Pentagon Friday he was enacting strict new measures to prevent domestic terror attacks, there were few within his government who knew exactly what he meant.
Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings.
Trump's immigration order: Which countries are affected?
Iran
Iraq
Syria
Sudan
Libya
Yemen
Somalia
Saturday night, a federal judge granted an emergency stay for citizens of the affected countries who had already arrived in the US and those who are in transit and hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US.
Trump's unilateral moves, which have drawn the ire of human rights groups and prompted protests at US airports, reflect the President's desire to quickly make good on his campaign promises. But they also encapsulate the pitfalls of an administration largely operated by officials with scant federal experience.
More protests against Trump's immigration policies planned
Protesters decry Trump's immigration policies
It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person familiar with the matter said.
The result was widespread confusion across the country on Saturday as airports struggled to adjust to the new directives. In New York, two Iraqi nationals sued the federal government after they were detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport, and 10 others were detained as well.
In Philadelphia, a Syrian family of six who had a visa through a family connection in the US was placed on a return flight to Doha, Qatar, and Department of Homeland Security officials said others who were in the air would be detained upon arrival and put back on a plane to their home country.
Asked during a photo opportunity in the Oval Office Saturday afternoon about the rollout, Trump said his government was "totally prepared."
"It's working out very nicely," Trump told reporters. "You see it at the airports. You see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we're going to have a very, very strict ban, and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years."
Trump's immigration ban sends shockwaves
Trump's immigration ban sends shockwaves
The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday.
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said.
Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.
The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.
There had been some debate whether green card holders should be even allowed to board international flights. It was decided by the Department of Homeland Security they could fly to the US and would be considered on a case-by-case basis after passing a secondary screening.
But the guidance sent to airlines on Friday night, obtained by CNN, said clearly, "lawful permanent residents are not included and may continue to travel to the USA."
As of Saturday afternoon, Customs and Border Protection continued to issue the same guidance to airlines as it did Friday, telling airlines that fly to the US that green card holders can board planes to the US but they may get extra scrutiny on arrival, according to an airline official.
Before the President issued the order, the White House did not seek the legal guidance of the Office of Legal Counsel, the Justice Department office that interprets the law for the executive branch, according to a source familiar with the process.
White House officials disputed that Sunday morning, saying that OLC signed off and agency review was performed.
A source said the creation of the executive order did not follow the standard agency review process that's typically overseen by the National Security Council.
Separately, a person familiar with the matter said career officials in charge of enforcing the executive order were not fully briefed on the specifics until Friday. The officials were caught off guard by some of the specifics and raised questions about how to handle the new banned passengers on US-bound planes.
Regarding the green card holders and some of the confusion about whether they were impacted, the person familiar with the matter said if career officials had known more about the executive order earlier, some of the confusion could have been avoided and a better plan could be in place.
Administration officials also defended the process Saturday. They said the people who needed to be briefed ahead of time on the plane were briefed and that people at the State Department and DHS who were involved in the process were able to make decisions about who to talk and inform about this.
Bannon and Miller were running point on this order and giving directives regarding green cards, according to a Republican close to the White House.
But even after the Friday afternoon announcement, administration officials at the White House took several hours to produce text of the action until several hours after it was signed. Adviser Kellyanne Conway even said at one point it was not going to be released before eventually it did get sent out.
Administration officials also seemed unsure at first who was covered in the action, and a list of impacted countries was only produced later on Friday night, hours after the President signed the document at the Pentagon.
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Go ahead, whine like a little girl that's it's CNN and they're just mad at Trump cause he hires hookers to pee in his bed.
- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:I give Obama credit if you give Bush credit for a total of 0 Islamic Terrorist attacks in the US post 9/11-Obama inauguration.
What?? Are you fucking stupid?? Zero AFTER the worst disaster in US History?!? That's the most absurd argument I ever heard?! THAT is what his and Dick Cheney's legacy is. I swear if it occured when a Democrat was President we'd never have another Democratic President for 50 years. But when it's a Republican we hear "Obama's gotta get outta there. He's soft!"
Republicans are fucking stupid.
What, are you stupid? Bill Clinton could have killed Bin Ladin the previous year and did not. That was a well executed plan and after that time not another one happened. I can't blame Bush on that attack when at that time there wasn't near the threat that we have now. That was the pre 9/11 policy. The previous attack on the WTC was 8 years prior. Bush had been pres for 8 months. That attack was planed way before 8 months. Do we blame Clinton too? There is word they got a vague warning.
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Yeah the old "Al Gore said "Osama Bin Who" and laughed about it on CNN" lie. Geez.
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It's not even the ban itself, or the human rights or civil liberties. It's that this douche is signing 'Executive Orders' he's not even sure are even legal, and Bannon is telling the Media to Shut Up.
Think about that. That's Kim Jung Il shit right there.
