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They tore it down after it was discovered his wife ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop in Virginia.
- Randall Flagg
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Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:The same can be said on both sides, heck Trump even missed the mark. It's not just that he was a slave owner, the guy went to war AGAINST America. War. He declared war!! Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of that war. Lee was going to be tried for treason, yes treason. In the 1940s-50s we executed the Rosenbergs for treason in the 1950s, and here we are maintaining a statue for the guy? Yet Trump somehow wasn't informed of this part of the guys story.
This may be a foreign concept to you, but Lee, above all else, represents honor, duty and patriotism. A general who didn't believe in the war, but out of loyalty to his state, he led their battle. I'm tired of this 21st century view of 19th century behavior. Lee was loyal to Virginia, as everyone was loyal to their state in that era. I know that concept is lost on most people in 2017, but States and their identity meant something. It's why we have the electoral college. Slavery wasn't illegal in 1861. Lincoln wasn't interested in making it illegal in 1861.
The rosenbergs committed treason by supplying information to the soviet union for personal gain. Lee led an Army, didn't hide behind the scenes, and stood behind his state. Like I said, next week you'll want the statues of Washington and Jefferson taking down. When can we start destroying statues of Roosevelt for the Japanese Internment? We need to destroy monuments to Jackson, since he massacred thousands of Native Americans. MLK was an adulterer, and as progressives have taught us, rape now means cheating on your wife. So when can we remove a rapists name from every street in a black neighborhood? Obama and Hillary were anti gay marriage. Can we destroy pictures of them? This is such a stupid line of thought from people who are so bored with their first world problems, they need to remove fucking statues to feel like their lives have meaning.
The idea that a bunch of losers who have done nothing but consume and have contributed nothing to the country are in any position to judge the actions of men who changed history and gave it all for their country is incredibly offensive to me.
So declaring war against America is patriotic? Great, I"m glad to know if Barack Obama formed a new Republic, and fought against the military representing the Trump regime, and if he lost the war, 150 years from now you & all the Nazi flag carriers & KKK marchers would support him having his own statue, for being a 'Patriot' to his country at the time.
Interesting analogy, http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic … -1.3420013 since Lee did alot of good things before the Civil War, I'm sure plenty of SS soldiers probably had some good German military & political backgrounds within them. There were probably some 'good people in there, mixed with some bad ones'. Lets give them statues. And maybe the NCAA should name the Defensive Coach of the Year award the Jerry Sandusky award. After all, he was a good defensive coach in his time.
So I'll ask again, when should we start tearing down the statue of anyone who doesn't meet 2017 standards?
- Randall Flagg
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Randall Flagg wrote:They tore it down after it was discovered his wife ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop in Virginia.
I agree, the claims of Clinton's sex shop, her husbands rapes and Trump's sexual assaults are all horseshit. But some people, members of this forum even, echoed them and still do.
So what is the objective criteria?
When do we start removing statues of Democrats who opposed civil rights? A lot of buildings are named after Robert Byrd where I grew up.
John F Kennedy didn't support trans rights. So how long until he is a tyrant?
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I think the Confederacy, the Confederate flag, and statues of Confederates has been questioned and opposed for a long time. Too long. Which is why there's now a pendulum effect of going too far. I agree taking The Dukes Of Hazard off the air was too far, as is Wash & Jeff. Plus my guess is our culture & society changed even in the 1800s, 60 years passed between Jeffersons Presidency & the Civil War. While slavery was probably always frowned upon, or viewed as taken to too far an extreme by some, it was tolerated or just there. In that 60 year timespan (compare 1957 to today) people became more vocal opponenents to slavery, whereas Rob E Lee & the South refused to change their views, and adamantly fought against it.
You're right, Jimmy Carter didn't fight for gay rights, Clinton accepted 'Don't ask don't tell' as a proper way to treat gays in the military etc. Times evolve.
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Steve Bannon is out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/p … house.html
- Randall Flagg
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http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/newton … /594261671
Just peaceful people fighting Nazis.
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or just a random idiot spraying pepper spray.
Wait, his actions must speak for all Democrats & liberals. The same way a Muslim crazy speaks for all Muslims so we must ban them all. But when it's the Nazi flag & KKK, well, some of them were nice people.
