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I didn't vote for Trump. I don't support the Republican party or the Democratic party. I vote for whoever I feel fits my beliefs best instead of worrying about what letter is next to their name. I don't support fake Nazis or fake BLM people as they are all the same on different ends of the spectrum. I'm as middle as you can get; yet you keep wanting to paint me as some extremist because I won't just bow to your masters.
Thinking for yourself is a wonderful thing...some of you should try it sometime. Kudos again to ID for getting it. He's not a sellout; he just sees the truth that both sides share responsibility for what happened in Charlottesville. I'm a little surprised you guys haven't tried to take him out yet for having the nerve to have his own opinion...
SLC and me agree more than we disagree, and I know my feelings about Confederate monuments and the rebel flag puts me on an island, and it's a great source of sensitivity on my end. My culture is not respected, we're looked down on, marginalized and villainized to absurd levels. I'm a centrist who leans more liberal than conservative on a lot of issues.
I respect everyone's beliefs here and I've been merciless on Republicans and Trump, but I can't be a hypocrite. And I have always been upfront with my dislike with the far left.
I can see how these white-wing groups can appeal to people, and I don't think that's appreciated on the left, nor how dangerous legitimizing violent far left groups is. It's going to come back on them. You can't demonize one terrorist and put another on the cover of Rollingstone like a rock star and call yourself mainstream or unbiased.
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This scary mean old "Nazi" woman certainly deserved to be dragged to the ground for holding her American flag. How dare she support free speech in America with such an egregious act. Way to put her in her place and make the world a better place tonight. Keep protesting!
I don't think anybody would claim she was a Nazi, or what they did with her flag was acceptable.
These are Neo Nazis...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpE1B7BTvk
This, is a Nazi...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE
Fuck these guys.
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slcpunk wrote:And it's been pointed out several times before, but law enforcement officials across this country are more concerned with right wing terror organizations than Islamic, by 2:1. They don't mention left wing outfits as a concern at this time.
But let's not let facts get in the way of right wing talking points.
Yes antifa does things I do not agree with and while BLM has legit grievances, I do not agree with their tactics either.
This isn't true. .
Actually I was wrong, it's 3:1.
“Since September 12, 2001,the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.”
“Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”
Report: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Right wing extremist are a bigger threat to America than ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ … 22743.html
Deadly threat from far-right extremists is overshadowed by fear of Islamic terrorism
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ana … terrorism/
Data: http://start.umd.edu/publications?combi … 5Byear%5D=
“Local law enforcement agencies see the threat of terrorism inspired by al-Qaida and like-minded terrorist organizations as less of a threat than other forms of violent extremism, principally anti-government extremism.”
"The survey of 382 law enforcement agencies, conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum with funding from the National Institute of Justice, found that 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top terrorist threats in their jurisdictions, while 39 percent listed extremism connected with al-Qaida or like-minded terrorist organizations."
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Randall Flagg wrote:slcpunk wrote:And it's been pointed out several times before, but law enforcement officials across this country are more concerned with right wing terror organizations than Islamic, by 2:1. They don't mention left wing outfits as a concern at this time.
But let's not let facts get in the way of right wing talking points.
Yes antifa does things I do not agree with and while BLM has legit grievances, I do not agree with their tactics either.
This isn't true. .
Actually I was wrong, it's 3:1.
“Since September 12, 2001,the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.”
“Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”
Report: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Right wing extremist are a bigger threat to America than ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ … 22743.html
Deadly threat from far-right extremists is overshadowed by fear of Islamic terrorism
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ana … terrorism/
Data: http://start.umd.edu/publications?combi … 5Byear%5D=
“Local law enforcement agencies see the threat of terrorism inspired by al-Qaida and like-minded terrorist organizations as less of a threat than other forms of violent extremism, principally anti-government extremism.”
"The survey of 382 law enforcement agencies, conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum with funding from the National Institute of Justice, found that 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top terrorist threats in their jurisdictions, while 39 percent listed extremism connected with al-Qaida or like-minded terrorist organizations."
So nothing you linked said law enforcement sees Nazis/white nationalist as a greater threat. And you use an article that cites figures from 2015, long before the Orlando shooting, and one that includes a black man shooting white people as "far right terrorism". So like I said a million times before, you're a Samantha Bea headline reader. You're not even willing to verify what you said, and will then change the subject.
SLC, how many people have been killed by white supremacist compared to having been killed by Muslims - the argument you put forward. Answer the fucking question, or admit you're a nut job who's too lazy to verify any headline put in front of you. This isn't cute anymore; your level of deceit and dishonesty. You're proven wrong time and time again, and you flat out lie and change the subject. Just like when I asked you to provide an article saying voting machines were hacked by Russia.
Since you support outing fascist so much, what if someone alerted your customers you're a 9/11 truther who believes lies. Would that violate your expectations if people exposed you for who you are? This isn't a threat. Just pointing out that I'm sure you don't want your business partners to know that you hold some wacky ideas, namely that Bush/Cheney orchestrated 9/11.
Just be an adult and admit you don't know what you're talking about half the time. You're worse than Mitch because he doesn't know better. You just lie.
You don't even read your own links. This is how dishonest you are.
1st Link you gave: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf clearly says more people have been killed by Islam than "right wing", but you just post it and say "Right wing is more dangerous"
Next, even the data about right-wing terror are a bit odd. For example, the two deadliest domestic right-wing terror attacks the GAO lists are Dylann Roof’s June 2015 Charleston church massacre and Christopher Harper-Mercer’s shooting spree at Umpqua Community College. Both men claimed nine victims, and Roof’s attack was unquestionably an act of race-motivated terror. But what about Harper-Mercer? The GAO calls him a “white supremacist,” but Harper-Mercer was a black man who hated organized religion, was frustrated that he didn’t have a girlfriend, and was fascinated by the fame of mass shooters. How is that clearly “far right” violence?
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … -jihadists.
So they're counting a black guy a member of a white supremacist group. Sounds logical to me.
2nd Link: This is an OpEd, not a claim from a government agency. But this article was before Orlando. But I'll help you out since you didn't read it. It says 48-45 at the time (obviously different than the GAO, but we know you're not one for the deep dive. Headlines only for you.) But just a heads up, with the Orlando shooting alone, it's now 49-95 with team Jihad far in the lead.
the 3rd link is just an OpEd so I'll ignore it.
Your 4th link to "data" isn't a link. It just takes you to a page with different papers.
SO FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, SINCE YOU LACK ANY INTELLIGENCE, NO MATTER WHICH AGENCY YOU GO TO, AS OF AUGUST 20,
2017, ISLAM HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WHITE SUPREMACY. That should be the end of the discussion. I've debunked everything you've claimed while reading the sources you linked. But I know you'll be back to call me names. You'll flat out lie and pretend the numbers saying something that they don't.
But because you're such a dishonest person, let me remind you of what happened. You claimed that many government groups perceive White Nationalist as a greater threat than Islam. You even put in your "facts" post that it's 3:1, but nothing you provide supports that, and your own links dismiss it. You've really gone over the deep end this time. You obviously didn't read your own links and are either mentally ill or are too stupid to admit that what you believe is factually wrong, but keep calling me lying Randy.
To everyone else, just ask SLC how many people "Nazis" have killed versus those in the name of Islam in the US, after 9/11. I'm not even tossing those 3k people into the figure. Just challenge him on this point when he lashes out and his mad chihuahua go on a 2 page frenzy of tossing insults.
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faldor wrote:This scary mean old "Nazi" woman certainly deserved to be dragged to the ground for holding her American flag. How dare she support free speech in America with such an egregious act. Way to put her in her place and make the world a better place tonight. Keep protesting!
I don't think anybody would claim she was a Nazi, or what they did with her flag was acceptable.
These are Neo Nazis...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIpE1B7BTvk
This, is a Nazi...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7FPmojhEeE
Fuck these guys.
You've got no argument from me about the White Supremacist's in Charlottesville. As for the woman in that video from Boston yesterday though. Well, at least one person thought it was alright to grab her American flag and drag her to the ground. That's the problem here. She was there to advocate freedom of speech and at least one protester grouped her in with a vile faction that she has nothing to do with. Many of these protesters don't even know what they're protesting or who they're protesting against. They're basically protesting anyone who thinks differently from them and that's dangerous.
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slcpunk wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:This isn't true. .
Actually I was wrong, it's 3:1.
“Since September 12, 2001,the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.”
“Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”
Report: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Right wing extremist are a bigger threat to America than ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ … 22743.html
Deadly threat from far-right extremists is overshadowed by fear of Islamic terrorism
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ana … terrorism/
Data: http://start.umd.edu/publications?combi … 5Byear%5D=
“Local law enforcement agencies see the threat of terrorism inspired by al-Qaida and like-minded terrorist organizations as less of a threat than other forms of violent extremism, principally anti-government extremism.”
"The survey of 382 law enforcement agencies, conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum with funding from the National Institute of Justice, found that 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top terrorist threats in their jurisdictions, while 39 percent listed extremism connected with al-Qaida or like-minded terrorist organizations."
So nothing you linked said law enforcement sees Nazis/white nationalist as a greater threat. And you use an article that cites figures from 2015, long before the Orlando shooting, and one that includes a black man shooting white people as "far right terrorism". So like I said a million times before, you're a Samantha Bea headline reader. You're not even willing to verify what you said, and will then change the subject.
SLC, how many people have been killed by white supremacist compared to having been killed by Muslims - the argument you put forward. Answer the fucking question, or admit you're a nut job who's too lazy to verify any headline put in front of you. This isn't cute anymore, you're level of deceit and dishonesty. You're proven wrong time and time again, and you flat out lie and change the subject. Just like when I asked you to provide an article saying voting machines were hacked by Russia.
Since you support outing fascist so much, what if someone alerted your customers you're a 9/11 truther who believes lies. Would that violate your expectations if people exposed you for who you are?
Just be an adult and admit you don't know what you're talking about half the time. You're worse than Mitch because he doesn't know better. You just lie.
You don't even read your own links. This is how dishonest you are.
1st Link you gave: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf clearly says more people have been killed by Islam than "right wing", but you just post it and say "Right wing is more dangerous"
Next, even the data about right-wing terror are a bit odd. For example, the two deadliest domestic right-wing terror attacks the GAO lists are Dylann Roof’s June 2015 Charleston church massacre and Christopher Harper-Mercer’s shooting spree at Umpqua Community College. Both men claimed nine victims, and Roof’s attack was unquestionably an act of race-motivated terror. But what about Harper-Mercer? The GAO calls him a “white supremacist,” but Harper-Mercer was a black man who hated organized religion, was frustrated that he didn’t have a girlfriend, and was fascinated by the fame of mass shooters. How is that clearly “far right” violence?
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … -jihadists.
So they're counting a black guy a member of a white supremacist group. Sounds logical to me.
2nd Link: This is an OpEd, not a claim from a government agency. But this article was before Orlando. But I'll help you out since you didn't read it. It says 48-45 at the time (obviously different than the GAO, but we know you're not one for the deep dive. Haadlines only for you.) BUt just a heads up, with the Orlando shooting alone, it's now 49-95 with team Jihad far in the lead.
the 3rd link is just an OpEd so I'll ignore it.
Your 4th link to "data" isn't a link. It just takes you to a page with different papers.
SO FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, SINCE YOU LACK ANY INTELLIGENCE, NO MATTER WHICH AGENCY YOU GO TO, AS OF AUGUST 20,
2017, ISLAM HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WHITE SUPREMACY. That should be the end of the discussion. I've debunked everything you've claimed while reading the sources you linked. But I know you'll be back to call me names. You'll flat out lie and pretend the numbers saying something that they don't.But because you're such a dishonest person, let me remind you of what happened. You claimed that many government groups perceive White Nationalist as a greater threat than Islam. You even put in your "facts" post that it's 3:1, but nothing you provide supports that, and your own links dismiss it. You've really gone over the deep end this time. You obviously didn't read your own links and are either mentally ill or are too stupid to admit that what you believe is factually wrong, but keep calling me lying Randy.
To everyone else, just ask SLC how many people "Nazis" have killed versus those in the name of Islam in the US, after 9/11. I'm not even tossing those 3k people into the figure. Just challenge him on this point when he lashes out and his mad chihuahua go on a 2 page frenzy of tossing insults.
This is one of your longest tantrums to date...all so that you could try to make the point that white people arent as dangerous as Islam.
You just need believe that white people are the righteous ones.
- Randall Flagg
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No, Mitch. It's called having a discussion where one person blatantly provides false information, then tries to provide links that don't support what they originally claimed. This has to do with revealing the truth, in that 1.) violence in this country isn't one sided in these protest and 2.) the hysteria surrounding white supremacist is well, hysteria. More Americans have been killed for Allah since 9/11 than have been killed for Hitler.
It's about being honest and not misinformed.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbe … -neo-nazi/
This is what calling everyone who doesn't group think with Sanders and Warren a "nazi" results in. But don't worry, SLC will be here soon to make up statistics because he saw a funny segment on TBS last night.
The GAO doesn't even calculate "left-wing" violence. Not even an entry for it. But some black guy is added in to stats about White Supremacy violence. I know that makes a whole lot of sense to me.
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Many of these protesters don't even know what they're protesting or who they're protesting against.
Absolutely.
They're basically protesting anyone who thinks differently from them and that's dangerous.
Which shows that instead of giving everyone else history lessons on Nazis, they should focus on a refresher course themselves because they clearly didn't learn.
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http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbe … -neo-nazi/
This is what calling everyone who doesn't group think with Sanders and Warren a "nazi" results in. But don't worry, SLC will be here soon to make up statistics because he saw a funny segment on TBS last night.
The GAO doesn't even calculate "left-wing" violence. Not even an entry for it. But some black guy is added in to stats about White Supremacy violence. I know that makes a whole lot of sense to me.
It`s mind-boggling how much shit antifa scum get away with in the States.
