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- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:misterID wrote:That is complete and utter bullshit you just pulled out of your ass after Hannity got done with it. There is protocol, a reason Nunes had to step away (only to continue to interject himself) because he did not follow protocol. Get your shit straight, man.
Homey, evey fucking night Maddow and O’Donnell tell us how impeachment is coming and all this hocus pocus shit. They lay out the road map. Yet none of it has been connected, yet. So when Podesta’s brother does something “no connection to John”, but if Manafort does something “oh he did that for Trump under specific instructions” etc.
You are intentionally playing ignorant. It is intellectually impossible for someone to be told over and over again how the investigation is on going and cannot be revealed to the media until IT'S OVER and not understand it.
Smoking Guns wrote:The sooner you all realize both sides are the same, maybe we can move forward and focus on the real issues of this country.
That is sweet. Like an insect scurrying back to his hole.
Yet leakers reveal shit every Fucking day like the FBI raiding Manafort’s home or emails about Don Jr., or Hilary’s server in the basement of a house etc.
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The dossier news is only "news" in its detail on Podesta. We knew a long time ago (Jan. 11) that both GOP and DNC groups funded it.
http://nypost.com/2017/01/11/john-mccai … mp-to-fbi/
“It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump,” Bernstein told CNN.
And no money was given to any Russians. But money was given to a research firm.
Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Homey, evey fucking night Maddow and O’Donnell tell us how impeachment is coming and all this hocus pocus shit. They lay out the road map. Yet none of it has been connected, yet. So when Podesta’s brother does something “no connection to John”, but if Manafort does something “oh he did that for Trump under specific instructions” etc.
You are intentionally playing ignorant. It is intellectually impossible for someone to be told over and over again how the investigation is on going and cannot be revealed to the media until IT'S OVER and not understand it.
Smoking Guns wrote:The sooner you all realize both sides are the same, maybe we can move forward and focus on the real issues of this country.
That is sweet. Like an insect scurrying back to his hole.
Yet leakers reveal shit every Fucking day like the FBI raiding Manafort’s home or emails about Don Jr., or Hilary’s server in the basement of a house etc.
That stuff I even take with a grain of salt...
The only thing they really should be reporting on is what can be seen or observed. Like when the FBI conducts a raid...that can be observed and verified.
Speculation and fantasizing is completely different and probably does more harm than good.
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The sooner you all realize both sides are the same, maybe we can move forward and focus on the real issues of this country.
They’re alike in that they use similar tactics to gain political advantage...
In the end the worst thing that will come out of this is Trump will be forever changed in the perception of enough people that he’s rendered political cancer.
That’s what they did to Hillary and they just kept at it until hammering away on a message that was at best a half truth.
Now the playbook is being used against republicans, specifically Trump. By the end of this thing..,no one will care much about the Mueller investigation (unless it really leads to resignation)....the words Trump and Russia will forever be intertwined. Whether it’s true or not has no baring on the effectiveness of the political strategy.
At the end of the day...the differences between Hillary and Trump ethically were perhaps non-existent. But it didn’t stop Trump from effectively hammering away Hillary’s morality...when Trump is just as bad if not worse.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans- … 38250.html
This sums up the last two pages of this thread.
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Another win for the working class. /s
Senate kills rule that made it easier to sue banks
Vice President Mike Pence cast the tie-breaking vote Tuesday night to repeal a rule that made it easier for Americans to sue their banks and credit card companies.
Senators passed the measure by a vote of 51-50, handing Wall Street its first major win since President Donald Trump took office in January.
Two Republican senators, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John Kennedy of Louisiana, sided with Democrats in opposition to the resolution.
Wiping out the rule would affect tens of millions of Americans who often don't know they are covered by an arbitration clause when they sign up for a credit card, checking account or prepaid card.
Many companies tuck arbitration clauses into contracts as a way to resolve disputes outside the court system, making it harder for an individual to bring a case against a bank or credit card company.
"Tonight's vote is a giant setback for every consumer in this country," Richard Cordray, the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau said in a statement. "Wall Street won and ordinary people lost."
Republicans have balked at plans by the consumer agency to bar companies from using arbitration clauses to stop consumers from bringing class-action suits. They've argued the rule issued in July was an egregious overstep Cordray, an Obama appointee.
Senate banking committee Chairman Mike Crapo blamed the agency for failing to re-examine the rule and develop alternatives.
"The CFPB chose an all-or-nothing approach, leaving Congress no choice but to overturn it," Crapo said in a statement.
The party-line vote is one of the last steps before the CFPB rule can be wiped out by Trump. The House voted 231-190 in July to overturn the rule. The measure now goes to the President's desk for his signature.
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Another win for the working class. /s
Senate kills rule that made it easier to sue banks
Vice President Mike Pence cast the tie-breaking vote Tuesday night to repeal a rule that made it easier for Americans to sue their banks and credit card companies.
Senators passed the measure by a vote of 51-50, handing Wall Street its first major win since President Donald Trump took office in January.
Two Republican senators, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John Kennedy of Louisiana, sided with Democrats in opposition to the resolution.
Wiping out the rule would affect tens of millions of Americans who often don't know they are covered by an arbitration clause when they sign up for a credit card, checking account or prepaid card.
Many companies tuck arbitration clauses into contracts as a way to resolve disputes outside the court system, making it harder for an individual to bring a case against a bank or credit card company.
"Tonight's vote is a giant setback for every consumer in this country," Richard Cordray, the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau said in a statement. "Wall Street won and ordinary people lost."
Republicans have balked at plans by the consumer agency to bar companies from using arbitration clauses to stop consumers from bringing class-action suits. They've argued the rule issued in July was an egregious overstep Cordray, an Obama appointee.
Senate banking committee Chairman Mike Crapo blamed the agency for failing to re-examine the rule and develop alternatives.
"The CFPB chose an all-or-nothing approach, leaving Congress no choice but to overturn it," Crapo said in a statement.The party-line vote is one of the last steps before the CFPB rule can be wiped out by Trump. The House voted 231-190 in July to overturn the rule. The measure now goes to the President's desk for his signature.
How many times does he get up break the tie?
Chosen by god my ass
- Smoking Guns
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Sean Hannity and Tucker to a lesser degree are dominating this Russia shit. Hannity blasted Maddow for having Eric Holder on her show in an exclusive and doesn’t ask him one fucking question about Uranium 1 or the Dossier etc. Like that is part of her job, I mean she has been screaming collusion for a a year yet had a man on in the know and doesn’t ask anything??
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- Randall Flagg
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http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/why-doesnt … s-treason/
What’s the difference between the infamous Russian dossier on Donald Trump and that random fake-news story you saw on Facebook last year? The latter was never used by America’s intelligence community to bolster its case for spying on American citizens nor was it the foundation for a year’s worth of media coverage.
Then again, you get what you pay for. We now know Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee paid as much as $9 million for the discredited dossier on Trump.
According to The Washington Post, a lawyer named Marc Elias, who represented both the 2016 Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, had hired Fusion GPS, a DC firm working on behalf of the Russian government to soften sanctions at the time, to provide opposition research for them. The firm then hired a former British spy named Christopher Steele who reportedly purchased salacious rumors about Trump from the Russians.
Now, you might expect that the scandalous revelation of a political campaign using opposition research that was partially obtained from a hostile foreign power during a national election would ignite shrieks of “collusion” from all patriotic citizens. After all, only last summer, when it was reported that Donald Trump Jr. met with a Kremlin-linked Russian lawyer who claimed to be in possession of damaging information about Clinton, there was widespread condemnation.
Finally, we were told, a smoking gun tied the Trump campaign to Vladimir Putin. Former Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine went as far as to suggest that the independent counsel begin investigating treason.
Treason! Trump Jr. didn’t even pay for or accept research.
The Clinton crew, on the other hand, did. They didn’t openly push the contents of the dossier — probably because they knew it was mostly fiction. Instead, Fusion GPS leaked it to their friends in the media.
The dossier ended up in the possession of most major news outlets. Many journalists relied on Fusion GPS to propel coverage. BuzzFeed even posted the entire thing for Americans to read, even though it was more than likely its most scandalous parts were hatched by a foreign government.
The memo dominated newsrooms that were convinced Trump was a Manchurian candidate. No fake-news story came close to having this kind of impact.
Democrats in Washington are now pushing the “Honest Ads Act,” which creates a raft of new regulations and fines for Web sites that don’t do enough to combat fake news. Attempting to control the flow of information into our screens is the hobbyhorse of would-be censors. But since they’re at it, when do we get a bill that fines institutional media organizations that readily embrace bogus foreign dossiers?
Because the dossier didn’t just awaken the Russia-stole-our-democracy narratives in the media. It’s just as likely that the dossier was used by Clinton’s allies in the government.
The Obama administration reportedly relied on the dossier to bolster its spying on US citizens. We know of at least one case where the information was used to justify a FISA warrant on a Trump adviser. And let’s not forget that Steele had reached an agreement to be compensated for his efforts by the FBI.
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None of this excuses the actions of Paul Manafort and others who may have benefitted from their relationship with the Russians. Yet, using the very standards Democrats have constructed over the past year, the Fusion GPS story is now the most tangible evidence we possess of Russian interference in the American election.
And at some point, Democrats will have to decide whether it’s wrong for a political campaign to work with foreigners when obtaining opposition research or whether it’s acceptable. We can’t have different standards for Democrats and Republicans.
Otherwise people might start to get the idea that all the histrionics over the past year weren’t really about Russian interference at all, but rather about Hillary losing an election that they assumed she’d win.
