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mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I absolutely am. With NC now firmly in play, the odds of Dems getting the senate should be sub 50%.
The way i see it...Dems have 50 seats right now. Alabama back to the GOP, Colorado, Arizona (what a joke), Maine, North Carolina, and I’ll go out on a limb and say Iowa...midwesterners have completely turned on Trump.
Even if they've turned on Trump doesn't mean they're suddenly progressives.
That is correct...that doesn't make them progressives. But they are decent people. And they see through this kind of bullshit like you wouldn't believe.
Biden is midwest nice...and that means both good and bad things. He won the rust belt back just by being a man. So don't think I've confused these people with progressives.
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I just don’t understand how people convinced Donald Trump was the manifestation of corruption and ignorance (his public comments and gaffes) can then go and support Joe Biden.
This is a guy who’s son was kicked out of the military reserves for doing Coke, fucks his dead brother’s wife while married, then gets millions of dollars from Russian and Chinese companies solely for potential access to his father - the VP of the US. He then publicly admits that he threatened the president of Ukraine he would not issue them congressionally apportioned funds unless they fire a prosecutor whom was investigating the company his son received millions for in an industry he had no qualified experience in.
This is a guy who has ran for President multiple times, and lost due to gaffes and corruption each time. He was caught plagiarizing a speech in the 80s and dropped out. He attacked Anita Hill (rightly imho), and called integrated schools “racial jungles”. He lied about the nature of the death of his wife and daughter and the timing of it. He’s lied numerous times about where he went to school and his academic record.
In the book the Irishman is based off of, Sheerhan claims he burned down the Republican candidates mail inserts on Biden’s/the mob/the union’s behalf to get Biden his first election to Congress. I’m not saying it’s true, but it certainly casts the shadow of corruption and is absolutely possible if you consider Delaware in the 70s and Biden’s union ties.
If you want to avoid someone who says stupid shit and lies, I don’t know how you claim Biden is objectively better. At least with Trump the plausibility of ignorance can be made for half his bullshit. Biden’s history of plagiarism and lies in his lucid years makes a claim of ignorance pretty damn difficult.
All the things Democrats have been outraged at Trump for, Biden is the worst candidate to counter that. Kids I’m cages - that was Barry and Uncle Joe. Executive orders on DACA, Biden says hello. Trump has wound down our military involvements, check out Papa Joe’s history of armed conflicts and the drone strikes under Obama. Biden was part of the original NAFTA. The only bi-partisan accomplishment of the past 4 years was trying to unfuck the original NAFTA.
That leaves you with Iran and the Paris Climate Accord. Democrats led by Schumer opposed the Iran deal under Obama. Even if Biden tried to revive it, he’d still lack any authority because the original agreement was never confirmed by the Senate. Divide your party and massive executive over each? I think not. So we rejoin the Paris Accords. And? It’s non binding and they’d need federal legislation to adhere to any of its goals. That ain’t happening unless they remove the filibuster and every Senator to include Manchin signs on. Again, unlikely.
So I don’t know what you’re getting other than a culture war victory. You give more of a platform to AOC and Sanders, which will flip the house right back to the GOP like it did in 2010. The Democratic Party of the 1990s is no more. It can’t exist with Talib, Omar and AOC. Most of the radical shit they’d pass would be struck down as unconstitutional, so all you’re doing is pissing off the extremes in the interim.
I loathe Trump. Hearing him speak for more than 10 seconds makes my skin crawl. He’s a loud mouth with the money to back up his threats. That’s all he is. But he did give us the best America we’ve ever had. Lowest crime and best quality of life ever. Maybe he doesn’t deserve credit as much as the people appointed so who kept the engine running. But if Trump is what it takes to keep those guys running the engine, count me in.
I have no interests in people racing to create and identify victims at the helm. There’s a lot to criticize Trump for, but all the most salacious and corrupt can be much more aptly applied at Joe Biden. Toss in the progressive left, and it’s a no brainer for me. I can’t understand how people who profess to loathe Trump can turn around and support Joe Biden. 9/10 times it’s not a choice of intelligent thought.
War and Peace. Bla Bla. Yawn
This seems like more of a human moment for you...
So let me tell you why this is happening. It has nothing to do with policy. Whether or not you believe he gave us a better America is your subjective choice. I, personally, saw the tricks he was pulling from the get go. The strategy and policies he used to grow the economy were eventually going to have to be paid for...record deficits will eventually crash the economy. Even without Co-vid, you knew his economic tactics were a short term trick that was eventually going to need to be paid for...and if the economy is the only thing that matters to you then you've lost me. If NAFTA was so bad then why was only a slightly modified version of it signed by him?
Biden simply represents a change. Most people who will be voting will not be doing all of that work of researching him. IN addition, I'd like to point out that you just pointed to what I see as conspiracy theories. It's pure propaganda that came out mostly since Trump has been around.
We know a lot about Trump. Even from before he ran for president. Countless business failures, disgusting documented quotes and behavior, multiple bankruptcies....the list goes on and we all knew it from the get go.
I voted for Bernie in the primary. Twice. There wasn't enough of us to get it done. So here's what we've got.
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He's running against a horrible president in the midst of a pandemic and recession, it should be a blow out. All he has to do is stay alive and he should win.
Everything you and others said about optics was dead on. Of course one man, a president, couldn't stop this from happening. But he did need to at least present the illusion that he had more under control.
With every word and action he showed us he didn't get it. That he had nothing under control.
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Re: Current Events Thread
Biden simply represents a change. Most people who will be voting will not be doing all of that work of researching him. IN addition, I'd like to point out that you just pointed to what I see as conspiracy theories. It's pure propaganda that came out mostly since Trump has been around.
Biden isn't a change. He's literally been in the federal government for 40+ years. He was the VP 4 years ago. If he's anything, he's a return to the status quo. Joe Biden is Washington. Nothing I said is a "conspiracy". It's an objective truth that isn't in dispute. Feel free to google any of it and let me know what isn't 100% the objective truth. Just because you don't have a basic historical understanding of Joe Biden and his record, or just don't care, doesn't make what I type not true, let alone a conspiracy.
Plagiarism: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/
Kids in Cages: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … a-adminis/
Racial Jungle: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … gle-quote/
NAFTA: https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/joe-biden … han-nafta/
Drones: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … es/511454/
Anita Hill: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ontroversy
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mitchejw wrote:Biden simply represents a change. Most people who will be voting will not be doing all of that work of researching him. IN addition, I'd like to point out that you just pointed to what I see as conspiracy theories. It's pure propaganda that came out mostly since Trump has been around.
Biden isn't a change. He's literally been in the federal government for 40+ years. He was the VP 4 years ago. If he's anything, he's a return to the status quo. Joe Biden is Washington. Nothing I said is a "conspiracy". It's an objective truth that isn't in dispute. Feel free to google any of it and let me know what isn't 100% the objective truth. Just because you don't have a basic historical understanding of Joe Biden and his record, or just don't care, doesn't make what I type not true, let alone a conspiracy.
Plagiarism: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/
Kids in Cages: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … a-adminis/
Racial Jungle: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … gle-quote/
NAFTA: https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/joe-biden … han-nafta/
Drones: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … es/511454/
Anita Hill: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ontroversy
The Ukraine stuff is the conspiracy stuff that I don’t take seriously. I believe all of this to have some grain of truth in it.
But we’re not talking about all of Joe Biden‘s character flaws. We’re talking about why I should vote for Trump. Or shouldn’t.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: Current Events Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:Biden simply represents a change. Most people who will be voting will not be doing all of that work of researching him. IN addition, I'd like to point out that you just pointed to what I see as conspiracy theories. It's pure propaganda that came out mostly since Trump has been around.
Biden isn't a change. He's literally been in the federal government for 40+ years. He was the VP 4 years ago. If he's anything, he's a return to the status quo. Joe Biden is Washington. Nothing I said is a "conspiracy". It's an objective truth that isn't in dispute. Feel free to google any of it and let me know what isn't 100% the objective truth. Just because you don't have a basic historical understanding of Joe Biden and his record, or just don't care, doesn't make what I type not true, let alone a conspiracy.
Plagiarism: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/
Kids in Cages: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … a-adminis/
Racial Jungle: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … gle-quote/
NAFTA: https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/joe-biden … han-nafta/
Drones: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … es/511454/
Anita Hill: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ontroversy
The Ukraine stuff is the conspiracy stuff that I don’t take seriously. I believe all of this to have some grain of truth in it.
But we’re not talking about all of Joe Biden‘s character flaws. We’re talking about why I should vote for Trump. Or shouldn’t.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/ … _FINAL.pdf
But believe what you will
Re: Current Events Thread
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:Biden isn't a change. He's literally been in the federal government for 40+ years. He was the VP 4 years ago. If he's anything, he's a return to the status quo. Joe Biden is Washington. Nothing I said is a "conspiracy". It's an objective truth that isn't in dispute. Feel free to google any of it and let me know what isn't 100% the objective truth. Just because you don't have a basic historical understanding of Joe Biden and his record, or just don't care, doesn't make what I type not true, let alone a conspiracy.
Plagiarism: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/
Kids in Cages: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … a-adminis/
Racial Jungle: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … gle-quote/
NAFTA: https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/joe-biden … han-nafta/
Drones: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … es/511454/
Anita Hill: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ontroversy
The Ukraine stuff is the conspiracy stuff that I don’t take seriously. I believe all of this to have some grain of truth in it.
But we’re not talking about all of Joe Biden‘s character flaws. We’re talking about why I should vote for Trump. Or shouldn’t.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/ … _FINAL.pdf
But believe what you will
Let me put it another way...Trump is so bad he makes Joe Biden look good.
