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Re: Current Events Thread
Evidence is piling up.
https://twitter.com/VelociTom/status/1574768132069130240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1574768132069130240%7Ctwgr%5E9973690f1b543258301e075518f0fd5212bd5ffa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Faanglin%2Fthe-situation-in-the-ukraine-is-an-historical-event-of-immense-magnitude%2F
An act of war from the US on another NATO member is serious stuff.
I read the article. I don't see anything wrong with it. A major war that could potentially trigger WW3 is underway and the US has to be ready to rock n roll in two shakes of a lamb's tail.
Anything that gives us the advantage in a conflict with Russia or China is on the table.
Re: Current Events Thread
I should've read all the posts the past couple pages and checked the news before commenting on the twitter link.
I didn't realize there had been explosions that some are claiming is some sort of American false flag.
While we're certainly capable of such a move, I don't think I buy it in this situation.
If the US wants to up the ante and enter the conflict, there's better ways of doing it.
We need more info.
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Right out in the open now. That dude is a member of EU Parliament. I think that blue mark means it's legit?
https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1574800653724966915
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https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1574867965991854093?s=46&t=sdHv1mpKOlw96slWNJhKFQ
Which is it? And who is this guy to have any authority on what happened? How is this out in the open? Because someone is verified on Twitter their tweets are gospel?
I know if I was involved in the sabotage of an international pipeline that could spark WW3, I’d definitely be on social media bragging about it for the likes.
A mad man sees what he sees.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: Current Events Thread
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/nord-str … 34de0b3d57
I don't speak German, but I know this article is claiming the CIA warned Germany weeks ago of the potential attack. I know if I was plotting sabotage, I'd warn the nation I'm intending to do the sabotage to.
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And how would the US know this? They looked at their own plans?
Nor has any of that been confirmed, but I can see why America would want to present the impression of alibi. At the same they are saying this is great news and an opportunity for the US, and they already delivered open threats to Germany about the pipeline.
All of this just sounds like honest intentions, doesn't it? Even your own ally Poland assumes you did it.
- Randall Flagg
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The US warned the EU and the world Russia was planning an invasion of Ukraine weeks before. Are you suggesting that the Americans were in on that? Or maybe the world's greatest intelligence organization is the world's greatest intelligence organization. We knew Bin Laden was planning 9/11 too, we just didn't take it seriously.
I'm unaware the President of Poland and his administration were blaming the US. I know a former Defense Minister in no capacity to have confirmation has made that statement, but that takes us back to your comment yesterday where some random dude with no connection to US or German intelligence made a comment on Twitter and you accepted it as proof.
I'm not saying the US didn't do this, just that there is no evidence to support that claim. And more to the point, people in a position of authority in the EU nations aren't making that claim either. Only people who don't have any direct connection to intelligence agencies to say nothing about the difficulty in knowing who was responsible hours after the attack. They're not even sure it was sabotage yet, but you seem confident this was a US action. I'm just saying you have no credible basis to make this argument and no amount of tweets is going to change that.
- Randall Flagg
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 … altic-sea/
Weird how the EU seems to be collectively pointing the finger at Russia. I guess the US suddenly is able to influence Europe and get them to agree with our conspiracy. Crazy we couldn't do that for Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran or Ukraine but now suddenly have that power.
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The US warned the EU and the world Russia was planning an invasion of Ukraine weeks before. Are you suggesting that the Americans were in on that?
This reminded me about something. The Whiskey on the Rocks incident in 1981. A Soviet sub washed up on the shores right next to a Swedish military base. The sub had navigated very finely, maneuvering between narrow rock formations, until suddenly they put their engines to full power and headed towards land. After hitting land they appeared to try and move even further onto the shore. There was a diplomatic incident and it ended up with sub detectors being placed around the Baltic Sea and UK/US forces patrolling the area, which it seems they are still doing today. The pipeline also goes through there.
The Swedish journalist Ola Tunander wrote a book about this recently, and he concludes that this was a joint operation between the US, USSR and Sweden. The goal, we can assume, being for the West to expand their naval presence in the area, and in return the USSR would get something. Revitalizing the Armand Hammer trade agreement from 1973, which Carter had cut off after they invaded Afghanistan in 1979, seems like a good candidate. The sub used in the Whiskey incident was a model from the 1950s, so no relevant technology was lost, making it plausible the Soviets were willing to lose it. The navigation of the sub and the behavior of the crew all pointed at something fishy, and there was also an American presence at the Swedish Base right at that moment. No proof of anything here, but possible example of the Russians willing to play the villain in return for something.
That being said I don't think they are really in cahoots with this war, but I do think the timing was suspicious. It played right into the hands of the West to keep the economic depression going with the ability to blame it on something other than Covid. Now they blame everything on Putin, especially energy prices which was starting to soar in 2021.
The warnings supposedly given by the US were vague and unspecific about possible attacks back in June. You can sniff out the troop movements of 200,000 troops, but I would think it would be harder to gain inside knowledge about a top secret action involving, we can assume, not much more than a squad of specialists. Anything bigger than a fishing boat would surely be way too high a risk in that area, even a sub. For all we know the warnings were a mere assessment of possible threats to vulnerable infrastructure, or if you want to go deep, gleefully informing your enemy about your plans knowing they can't stop you.
Apparently no measures were taken. Russia is shut out, which leaves Germany. Their relationship with the US can be summed up by an American President, telling their Chancellor to his face, in front of cameras, that if they don't shut down their pipeline, the US will. Now that's brazen and out in the open. No surprise protective measures failed to materialize. I also think it grossly imprudent for an active Polish member of Parliament, to in effect publicly accuse the US of involvement in this plot. I don't think he's doing that in a vacuum, and frankly I consider it a very big deal for a representative of an Ally to say that. Yet nobody cares. No attention, no rebuke.
Do I know the US did this? Certainly not directly, and it is also possible Russia was involved, but this is just too convenient for the US to be a coincidence. They have by far the most to gain from this, unless you count the group that runs America as something separate. Maybe that's fair. I'd be very surprised if they had nothing to do with this. Secretary Blinken made a shameful display when he first claimed nobody had any interest in doing this, before in the next sentence, proclaiming this to be a great opportunity for US plans. It all adds up.
