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- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Quick Song=Cuban Skies?
In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.
Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.
But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.
That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Quick Song=Cuban Skies?
In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.
Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.
But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.
That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.
A few things to consider
1. We know by Dave Dominguez that Oklahoma was done lyrical very early in 1995-1996, So in my opinion it's a lot like This I Love a song with lyrics and vocals ready just needing the instrumental. Rembrandt This I love also didn't appear on the 19 village disc that we got. It's most likely on the others since it was intended to be used on the 1998 In What Dreams May Come.
2. Oklahoma is on rough mixes disc 3 but it's take 10. So we don't know if the other9 by that date date had vocals.
3. When Rolling Stone was played the instrumental in 1999 it's possible that Axl wanted to tinker with it more to capture more of the sound of 1996 demo, So the version with vocals was not shared due to him wanting to redo vocals.
Just throwing out some of my thoughts.
Considering Oklahoma was a alt song at the 2001 hob show i think it was one of the first songs done.
Re: Quick Song=Cuban Skies?
Unfortunately we may never get the full story on Oklahoma much less get to hear the damn thing.
There's still an unreleased Beatles song, Hendrix, Floyd, Doors...and these are bands that actually give info and regularly release stuff for fans.
Axl should've been grilled on it during the forum chats in 2008...instead no one said anything after he mentioned the title change to Berlin.
He also should've been grilled on the odd story about the original TIL being destroyed. What else was destroyed?
I've said it many times...those chats were a massive wasted opportunity. He was willing to sit there for hours discussing this shit...and half the questions were nothing more than shit posting.
The song has never been mentioned again by anyone.
Yes the HOB thing was/is a good sign but they had played instrumentals before and after...its inclusion doesn't guarantee vocals. This MIGHT be why Riad was played instead.
- AgesOfTheIce
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Re: Quick Song=Cuban Skies?
Shacklermyrye wrote:In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.
Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.
But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.
That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.
A few things to consider
1. We know by Dave Dominguez that Oklahoma was done lyrical very early in 1995-1996, So in my opinion it's a lot like This I Love a song with lyrics and vocals ready just needing the instrumental. Rembrandt This I love also didn't appear on the 19 village disc that we got. It's most likely on the others since it was intended to be used on the 1998 In What Dreams May Come.2. Oklahoma is on rough mixes disc 3 but it's take 10. So we don't know if the other9 by that date date had vocals.
3. When Rolling Stone was played the instrumental in 1999 it's possible that Axl wanted to tinker with it more to capture more of the sound of 1996 demo, So the version with vocals was not shared due to him wanting to redo vocals.
Just throwing out some of my thoughts.
Considering Oklahoma was a alt song at the 2001 hob show i think it was one of the first songs done.
I don't interpret Dave's comment about Oklahoma being done by the time they hit the studio to be mean the lyrics were done, I personally took that as referring to the instrumental. In another interview in 2018 he described it (and IRS) as a loop during that time period.
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Quick Song=Cuban Skies?
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.
Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.
But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.
That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.
A few things to consider
1. We know by Dave Dominguez that Oklahoma was done lyrical very early in 1995-1996, So in my opinion it's a lot like This I Love a song with lyrics and vocals ready just needing the instrumental. Rembrandt This I love also didn't appear on the 19 village disc that we got. It's most likely on the others since it was intended to be used on the 1998 In What Dreams May Come.2. Oklahoma is on rough mixes disc 3 but it's take 10. So we don't know if the other9 by that date date had vocals.
3. When Rolling Stone was played the instrumental in 1999 it's possible that Axl wanted to tinker with it more to capture more of the sound of 1996 demo, So the version with vocals was not shared due to him wanting to redo vocals.
Just throwing out some of my thoughts.
Considering Oklahoma was a alt song at the 2001 hob show i think it was one of the first songs done.
I don't interpret Dave's comment about Oklahoma being done by the time they hit the studio to be mean the lyrics were done, I personally took that as referring to the instrumental. In another interview in 2018 he described it (and IRS) as a loop during that time period.
Gentlemen here's some quotes
"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)
"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken). [...] (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)
So Axl wrote it. What do we think the lead singer wrote ? The guitar parts, the percussion parts ? Or most likely the lyrics ?
If the lyrics were done and presented to the band at 1996 sessions then again in 98 then vocals were mostly likely done and recorded ?
Hopefully this post doesn't come off in a asshole manner sometimes i think we all over complicate the history of Chinese Democracy era songs.
