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Re: Call the election
apex-twin wrote:tejastech08 wrote:Our debt situation is dangerous as hell. It is the biggest threat to our way of life. But we have two parties in power that are not serious about fixing it.
I hope I don't sound facetious, but would it be a bad thing in the long run if the current economic system would in fact collapse?
A lot of things regarding a way of life would change with many, undoubtedly.
There would probably be an amount of human suffering, unfortunately.But the current system is not exactly equal, either. Corporations are ruling the show, investment banks wrangle billions out of taxpayers' pocket via the government. If they want it fixed, it's because they like their power structure too much to give it up. The little people seem to be just clogs in the machine.
I turn 27 later this month. I save as much as I can and I feel the system is rigged against me. You can't make any money by saving because interest rates are artificially low due to the Federal Reserve's manipulation. There was a time when you could make a decent amount of cash by saving, but now it's jack squat. They force you to play in the casino known as the stock market. That being said, I am doing the best I can to retire at a reasonable age (50-55) so I can travel the country and world to see places I haven't seen. I do not want to see a collapse that causes me to lose everything or at a minimum causes me to spend a ton of my savings just on basic goods because of hyper-inflation.
I hear you. I think it's just a question of where do we go if it does collapse? What could replace it ya know?
Retirement at 50 would be doing well if this shit keeps up man.
Re: Call the election
Riad wrote:I hear you. I think it's just a question of where do we go if it does collapse? What could replace it ya know?
Retirement at 50 would be doing well if this shit keeps up man.
Communism.
Requires too much trust in the political system. You need to trust the people at the very top with the possessions of those at the very bottom.
It didn't work in russia back in the day why would it work in America today?
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Russia was simply first. China is now doing good after a rough start. Scandinavia is doing even better. Not only are americans becoming more socialized, the vast influx of immigrants are also supporting the move towards a welfare state. There will still be "free markets" and you'll still collect a pay check, but regulation and centralization is increasing all over the world.
Re: Call the election
Russia was simply first. China is now doing good after a rough start. Scandinavia is doing even better. Not only are americans becoming more socialized, the vast influx of immigrants are also supporting the move towards a welfare state. There will still be "free markets" and you'll still collect a pay check, but regulation and centralization is increasing all over the world.
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Broseph. Let me stop you there. Scandanavia isn't Communist. It's not even a little bit communist. It's left leaning but nowhere near comunism. It resembles the "pseudo communism" that the right wing in america rails against, but it's just middle of the road left leaning. It's not even extreme left. There is no extreme left country on earth.
China on the other hand is in serious shit right now, with a serious falun gong sympathy movemnet going on world-wide as well as the Chinese Party Members Sex scandal (source: http://gawker.com/5935038/china-censors … re-scandal )
There is no fukin way China is still communist in 20 years. China are by my best reckoning an extreme right wing set-up who are hiding within a trojan horse they stole from Lenin. Anyway, America is pushing back the chinese aid intervention in Africa, but to be honest I'd actually rather they kept out of it and France stepped up there. They don't have the population power for all out war down there but that's not the scenario and the French have had a stranglehold on Africa for donkeys years, they seem to be handing over to America in the chinese influx issue there. Fuck didn't Sarkozy order the hit on Gadaffi ?
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America is nowhere near a welfare state. England is more left leaning than america even. Fucking England... That's worrying because right now a Conservative Political agenda is useless to America. There is nothing good in the American political system worth preserving nothing on the left or the right. This is why even the Conservatives are running on abstract notions like "hope" . Obamacare is idealistic at best, but would it change the day to day life of the average american tax payer in good health? No. Is it a compromise of American values?
Depends which set of American values you believe in, which is to say it comes down to a matter of opinion, and in America there are two opinions. Middle of the road Left and Middle of the road Right.
When all is said and done they aren't that different.
Possibly the only decent communist experiments were Cuba and for my money Chavez runs Venezuela like a strict Cuba.
What would you like to see? Communism or some other form of Government? I've heard good arguments made for Co-op governments like in anarchism, but that's never going to ( and in my mind doesn't need to) happen.
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Re: Call the election
u guys seem p certain obama's gonna win. (atm anyway, after like, 11 votes). defo not the impression i get from the media, tho the message also seems to be about romney not able to get the 270 electoral votes.
just from history i wouldn't ever be surprised about who would win.
having said that tho, as a rational person w/only the slightest interest in this, it's just plain weird how close it is (& often is).don't get me wrong, i find my own politicians just as laughable & contemptible, if not more so.
but what i love about the US election is the noise & razzmatazz it brings. it's like the oscars only a little more important & exclusive.
The US is divided which is why there will always be relatively close elections. I'd say each side starts out with getting 45% support each (ie base voters) so the candidates are basically fighting over 10%. And that makes most of these elections close. Democrats usually nab the bigger more populous states (California, New York) and most of the east coast, while Republicans grab most of the Southern states and parts of the midwest.
I'm not exactly sure how it works in the UK, but there are also senate and US House seats up for grabs in these elections. Those are important as well because if one party has control of one of those branches, they could make it difficult for the president. Republicans control the House which makes it easier to block a lot of Obama's legislation.
The Republicans should have been able to pick up a few Senate seats since the Democrats are defending more of their seats but they have put out some flat out HORRIBLE candidates.
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I'm not too big on labels. For me there are 2 types of government: small - old america, big - practically everywhere else.
No scandinavia doesn't fit the soviet style of communism, but it's closer to that than anything else. Selling and exchanging goods isn't exactly an ideology, it's just what we do. Paying 80-90% tax (as in scandinavia) however is an ideology, a socialist one.
From what I've seen in other western countries it's not that bad, but it's not far off either. Even in the US the only things that stand out are somewhat low taxes and the ability to own a gun. I guess you can sue the state too, that isn't really allowed elsewhere.
I'd like to see everybody take a psychopath test to hold public or corporate office. A decentralized global economy. Laws could be done on a county level. No passports, free travel. Local currencies. That kind of stuff.
But that's not going to happen. So I'm just gonna prepare for this kind of hybrid of the old soviet style communism and I guess roman empire type of "freedom" we seem to be getting.
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I'd like to see everybody take a psychopath test to hold public or corporate office.
You'd be surprised at how many batshit insane people are running for public office in the states, just based on some of the looney shit that comes out of their mouths.
